Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

[Mojo]

I read the article but I dont understand. How is rap music being used to help convict people? Are they admitting to their crimes in their lyrics?

You know how people have been assumed to be dangerous criminals because they have tattoos? It’s the same but using lyrics instead.

 

[Hercules56]

The swastika does not represent Germany. It represents a murderous ideology.

Two entities in active conflict are represented by their flags, and showing one is support for them, and/or its people. Nazis are not people. They are anti-people.

What is an anti-person?

 

[Hercules56]

You know how people have been assumed to be dangerous criminals because they have tattoos? It’s the same but using lyrics instead.

So people in Britain go to jail because of their lyrics, not because they have actually committed a crime?

 

[Thermal]

What is an anti-person?

If someone is described to you as being anti-abortion, would you seriously ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ ask "What is an anti-abortion?"

You really gotta drop this meathead act, dude. It's gotten stale.

 

[Helen]

If you can't say what you want to say in the exact spot where you want to say it, but you can say it elsewhere, say a km away, where it wouldn't disturb the peace, does that mean that you have lost your freedom of speech?

 

[Thermal]

If you can't say what you want to say in the exact spot where you want to say it, but you can say it elsewhere, say a km away, where it wouldn't disturb the peace, does that mean that you have lost your freedom of speech?

That's a huge fine line distinction in the US- when does being disruptive and disorderly cross lines with speech rights? Hecklers can sometimes be removed from a speaking area, sometimes not. It's almost like the answer is 'it depends', but we have this one guy who can't absorb that...

 

[catsmate]

In the USA you can't get out of jailtime because someone provoked you. We dont have "fighting words" as a legal defense.

Except provocation is accepted as mitigation in much of USAia. Unlike most countries.

 

[catsmate]

Many could make a great argument that waving the flag of Palestine in front of a synagogue is a threat of violence.

How?

It sure is intimidating and scary.

 

[catsmate]

Am I the only one exasperated by how this thread is driven along by Hercules56 assuming the law has to be an inflexible list of absolutes rather than a balanced judgement of competing interests?

Yes but it's classic USAianism. The concept of flexibility, self responsibility and balance seems to be alien to many of them.

 

[Darat]

Many could make a great argument that waving the flag of Palestine in front of a synagogue is a threat of violence.

It sure is intimidating and scary.

And?

 

[Darat]

If waving nazi flags while marching around Jews should be illegal, same should go for waving hezbollah and hamas flags when at a school full of thousands of jews.

FTFY - but what on earth does it have to do with marching "around jews"?

 

[Thermal]

Except provocation is accepted as mitigation in much of USAia. Unlike most countries.

Bit sidebar to all this, but I think provocation should be weighted more heavily. If you verbally pick a fight, and you get it, that should be treated as a mutual fight (petty disorderly persons offence in my US state). The first shot doesn't have to be physical, at least sometimes.

 

[Hercules56]

If someone is described to you as being anti-abortion, would you seriously ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ ask "What is an anti-abortion?"

You really gotta drop this meathead act, dude. It's gotten stale.

I've never heard as a person referred to as being anti-person. I thought you were suggesting they were not human.

 

[Hercules56]

FTFY - but what on earth does it have to do with marching "around jews"?

So you are saying simply marching with a Nazi flag, should be seen as inciting violence and criminal?

Why should this also not be for marching with a Hamas flag or a Hezbollah flag?

 

[Hercules56]

And?

I guess threatening some people is bad but threatening other people is not bad?

Seems like people here are saying that if you threaten Jews with a Palestinian or a Hezbollah or Hamas flag, you should be forgiven. But if you threaten Jews with a Nazi flag you should go to prison.

Such a concept shows an incredibly warped understanding of freedom of speech.

 

[Hercules56]

Yes but it's classic USAianism. The concept of flexibility, self responsibility and balance seems to be alien to many of them.

No. We just believe in freedom of speech, even if the speech is very offensive. Clearly you do not.

 

[Hercules56]

How?

Never heard of the Intifada huh?

 

[catsmate]

I've never heard as a person referred to as being anti-person. I thought you were suggesting they were not human.

Other than as a distraction, is there supposed to be some relevant content here?

 

[Thermal]

I've never heard as a person referred to as being anti-person. I thought you were suggesting they were not human.

That's because I didn't say they were anti-person. I said they were anti-people, like being anti-drug or anti-nazi.

 

[catsmate]

No. We just believe in freedom of speech, even if the speech is very offensive. Clearly you do not.

Of course I don't believe in your mythical "absolute free speech" drivel. I live in the Real World.

Never heard of the Intifada huh?

Yes I have. But you appear to be claiming that flying the flag of Palestine, a country recognised by the vast majority of the planet, is somehow threatening.