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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

Hercules56 said:
Do we also ban pro-palestine protestors from being outside all synagogues, jewish neighborhoods, jewish-owned stores, israeli govt buildings, israeli own companies?

Who gets to decide what qualifies as an offensive provocation?

What if I find a pro-trans march, or a pro-Muslim march offensive?
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We should only ban aggressive, provocative protests.

The courts get to decide what qualifies.

Merely finding something offensive is not enough.
 
Nessie said:
You clearly know nothing about Northern Ireland and The Troubles, where Republicans and Nationalists constantly sought to march through each other's areas, to provoke each other.
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Nitpick, Republicans and Unionists. But otherwise correct.
Nessie said:
They would both claim to be the peaceful side, who were then subjected to unprovoked attacks. The flying of the Irish flag, or Red Hand of Ulster flag, in another side's area, was designed to provoke. Even through Northern Ireland has the lowest numbers of immigrants, it has experienced a lot of violence relating to migration over the past while.
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It's being weaponised, deliberately, as a proxy.
Nessie said:
If an anti-immigration, right wing, racist group wanted to march through an area full of immigrants, violent, territorial, aggressive males, will see that as a threat, a challenge to them and that type of person reacts violently.
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Ah, reality.
 
Thermal said:
Oh, bull ◊◊◊◊. There is no ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ nationwide mandatory jail time for assault. You can be found 100% guilty, and have your sentence suspended for mitigating factors like provocation.
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In the USA you can't get out of jailtime because someone provoked you. We dont have "fighting words" as a legal defense.
 
Darat said:
One is a flag of a sort-of-nation, one is the flag of Nazism; we have no reason to consider that the person (outside of say filming a TV programme) flying that flag is not a Nazi, and Nazi ideology requires the murdering of a few millions of their fellow citizens. Quite different things. That is why promoting Nazism should be a criminal offence in of itself.
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Many could make a great argument that waving the flag of Palestine in front of a synagogue is a threat of violence.

It sure is intimidating and scary.
 
Thermal said:
The last time that flag was openly flying, we launched a World War against them. Shouldn't really be controversial to say 'yeah we don't accept this'. What are we supposed to do, protect them till they get their way, then kill them again? They are predefined as criminals, and repugnant to public discourse.
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Does this also go for Soviet sympathizers? They did some terrible ◊◊◊◊ as well.
 
Hercules56 said:
In the USA you can't get out of jailtime because someone provoked you. We dont have "fighting words" as a legal defense.
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Wrong again. It's not a defense, but REPEATING FOR YOU AGAIN, there is no mandatory minimum (you overwhelmingly don't go to jail for simple assault), and it can absolutely get your sentence suspended (mitigating factors in sentencing is common in every state).
 
Thermal said:
When you find some cats waving the USSR banner walking down the street, we can discuss the specifics then. Imaginary ◊◊◊◊ doesn't interest me that much.
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During college protests in the USA many idiot kids waved Hamas and Hezbollah flags. Should that be an illegal provocation?
 
Hercules56 said:
So waving Hamas and Hezbollah flags is ok, but waving Nazi flags should be an illegal provocation?

Talk about odd hypocrisy.
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And where did I say a peep about provocation being illegal? I said it is a mitigating factor in sentencing.

When you can go a single post without lying, get back to me. Till then, it's dull as dishwater to discuss with someone who pretends he does not comprehend words.
 
If waving nazi flags while marching around Jews should be illegal, same should go for waving hezbollah and hamas flags when at a school full of thousands of jews.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Am I the only one exasperated by how this thread is driven along by Hercules56 assuming the law has to be an inflexible list of absolutes rather than a balanced judgement of competing interests?
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Not the first poster to do it, here's another:
The right to free speech does not and cannot infringe on anybody else's rights by definition.
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Hercules56 said:
If waving nazi flags while marching around Jews should be illegal
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The swastika does not represent Germany. It represents a murderous ideology.
Hercules56 said:
same should go for waving hezbollah and hamas flags when at a school full of thousands of jews.
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Two entities in active conflict are represented by their flags, and showing one is support for them, and/or its people. Nazis are not people. They are anti-people.

Eta: or more clearly, a Ukranian flag shows solidarity with the victims of aggression, much like many perceive the Nation of Israel to be aggressive. Do you understand that ain't no one sympathizing with nazis as victims of aggression?
 
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