Hercules56
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Of course not. Speech calling for or threatening immediate violence is illegal. Child porn is illegal. Everything else is or should be legal, including offensive bigoted hate speech.
Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech
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Steve
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Show me the word "arrested" in my post.
Trausti
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So the limits of free speech in the US aren't being redefined.
Hercules56
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There are other ways to step on Free Speech besides arrrest.
You can pull their visa, stop their federal funding, cancel their passport, etc etc.
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Stopping funding does not affect freedom of speech - what of those people who were not special enough to get funding in the first place. Has the government given you money to voice your opinions? And there have always been restrictions on visas. Being allowed into the US is not a right.
Steve
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In fact they are. Naming an organization as terrorist ( you know, a fascist leader attempting to silence an anti-fascist organization) immediately limits their ability go get their message out. They become silent for fear of being arrested without arrests actually taking place. And that is just one example.
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Stopping funding cuz you don't like someone's political views is unconstitutional.
Mojo
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And you all fought tooth and nail to stop Trump doing it to the colleges?
smartcooky
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To be clear, this is what he shared (in the spoiler so as not to offend the snowflakes)
Remember, this wasn't his meme, he shared someone else's meme.
So, I have questions, especially for those here who seem comfortable with suppressing controversial opinions.
1. Do you think this speech should be suppressed? If so, please justify?
2. Do you think the law should be such that someone who says this should be arrested? If so, please justify.
And if you think suppression is justified... how about these
For the record: I agree with the sentiment of the first one, I don't agree with the sentiment of the second one, but I don't think either of them (or the one that is the subject of this thread) should be suppressed, or that sharing them should be an arrestable, chargeable offence).
Remember, this wasn't his meme, he shared someone else's meme.
So, I have questions, especially for those here who seem comfortable with suppressing controversial opinions.
1. Do you think this speech should be suppressed? If so, please justify?
2. Do you think the law should be such that someone who says this should be arrested? If so, please justify.
And if you think suppression is justified... how about these
For the record: I agree with the sentiment of the first one, I don't agree with the sentiment of the second one, but I don't think either of them (or the one that is the subject of this thread) should be suppressed, or that sharing them should be an arrestable, chargeable offence).
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In Spain we also have religious vilification laws, but I don´t think we should. There´s nothing special about religious feelings, compared to non religious, that requires them to be protected. Why protect religious feelings and not atheist feelings? My atheist feelings are hurt every time I hear religious ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, should religious people be prevented from speaking about their religion in public? (maybe this deserves a separate thread)
To be clear, this is what he shared (in the spoiler so as not to offend the snowflakes)
Already been posted and most of us have already commented about it.
smartcooky
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Yorkshire police arrest UK man for 'F*** Hamas' X post | The Jerusalem Post
Pete North, 47, was arrested over the meme on suspicion of committing a public order offence.www.jpost.com
How is this possible?
In the UK if you post "◊◊◊◊ Hamas" or "◊◊◊◊ Palestine" on Facebook or Twitter, you go to jail???
Oh wait. I mean, that meme was pretty strong (though I don't believe it should ever come close to rising to the level of a legal office. Religions themselves are fair game in my book (otherwise criticizing the Catholic Church for their lack of activity and accountability in dealing with paedofile priests would be a criminal offense).
But if you think this is something new, the I have news for you
Teenager arrested for saying that a police officer looked like her lesbian Nana:
Police face complaint over arrest of autistic Leeds teenager
The girl was detained in Leeds for a "homophobic public order offence", officers say.
www.bbc.com
Man arrested for misgendering a transgender identified male:
Leeds preacher's sentence for trans woman's harassment quashed
Christian preacher David McConnell's conviction is overturned at Leeds Magistrates' Court.
www.bbc.com
Man arrested for saying "We love bacon" near a mosque:
The bacon hate crime
A man has been arrested for singing ‘we love bacon’. Free speech is cooked.
www.andrewdoyle.org
Former policeman arrested for misgendering his stalker:
Free-speech champion harassed by trans police officer is accused of h…
archived 14 Sep 2025 07:38:50 UTC
Man arrested, charged, convicted and jailed for teaching a dog to do Nazi salutes (I kid you not)
Man guilty of hate crime for filming pug's 'Nazi salutes'
Mark Meechan recorded the dog reacting to statements such as "Sieg Heil" by raising its paw.
www.bbc.com
76 year old woman arrested for allegedly calling a neighbor a hurty name:
Scots OAP 'carted off in cop van' after being wrongly accused of hate crime
A PENSIONER has told how she was carted off by cops after being wrongly accused of a hate crime. Mild mannered Morag McDougall Brown, 74, says she has endured two years of abuse from a nightmare ne…
www.thesun.co.uk
Person visited by Police for criticising a Labour consellor on Facebook
The petty authoritarianism of Britain’s thoughtpolice
Candice Holdsworth, Tom Slater and Fraser Myers discuss the pensioner visited by police for criticising a Labour councillor. This is a clip from the latest episode of the spiked podcast. Watch the full thing here.
www.spiked-online.com
Father & mother arrested in front of their daughter for complaing too much in a post, about their other disabled daughter's primary school
https://www.spiked-online.com/video/the-petty-authoritarianism-of-britains-thoughtpolice/
Arrested for... well, I can't even work out why:
‘Brexity things’? This is a new low for the thoughtpolice
How a tweet about anti-Semitism and some anti-woke books landed a pensioner in a police cell.
www.spiked-online.com
It started a long time ago...
The above is just the ones we know about... a small percentage of the 30 people a day who get visits from Police in the UK, simply for saying hurty things on Social Media
smartcooky
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And? The other two test memes, have they already been posted?
I mean, I get that some people are uncomfortable with discussing this stuff, especially when they know they can't support their positions with facts and evidence. but you don't get to try to shut down discussions when others ask questions.
I'm asking for justifications of people's positions on this - all I have seen so far in this thread is dismissal, arrogance and mockery - which are the progressive liberal go-tos when they hold a position they cannot justify.
If they refuse to justify them, I will just have to assume that they cannot.
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smartcooky
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This is what I am talking about - dismissal, not debating or discussing issues in good faith
Show me proof that the information in all the links I posted are lies or misrepresentations.
Just as one example, the link below "Former policeman arrested for misgendering his stalker", has actually gone to court, and the former cop, Harry Miller won his case against the Police for wrongful arrest. There are court records. Have these been faked? Are they misrepresentation?. Did Mr Miller lie to the court and get away with it - and the judges were fooled?
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Pixel42
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Sounds like the justice system worked then.
It's of course bad for anyone to go through such a process but with our system we need cases to set precedents, this lets the prosecution services know what is prosecutable or not. And this can take time - it was only in 2011 that the courts decided a police officer is not going to be distressed if a member of the public uses naughty words when talking to the police, yet the legislation that was based on goes back to 1986. It would be good if we could find a way of setting precedents that doesn't have to involve people - often for years - having their lives messed up.
smartcooky
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More deflection and dismissal.