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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

I am afraid that is what the final court says. Truth is not what you choose it to be.

Maybe you should take your own advice, but on the other hand, please keep on doing what you're doing.

It's all gold for my new study: "Are Guilters Just Liars or Are They Psychopaths Too?"

And as always, thank you for your attention to this matter.
 
"That is what the final court says" is just another story you've made up. Like your story of me breaking a plate or your story of Knox and Sollecito staging a burglary. Layer after layer of lie after lie, like the Queen's Guard in Alice in Wonderland who are really just a pack of cards, except Alice is dreaming and the cards are really leaves that have fallen on her face, except the whole book is fiction and the dream never happened either.
There is, of course, AK's 'best truth', your truth and then there's the real truth.
 
Unfortunately for you, the real truth is on Myriad's side and not yours.

And BTW, thanks for helping with my study.

Yup, psychopaths and guilters are both delusional, and both believe their own lies.

Like I said, this stuff is gold.
 
Just dropping in and saw this. My career for more than a decade was selling data communications equipment mostly to cell phone companies. About I think a decade ago, I did a thorough examination of the cell phone evidence and posted it. I pin pointed every cell antenna drew maps, showed lines of sight, and calculated distances to each one. The evidence if anything, pointed to their innocence. So Vixen pretending she understands cellular communications is a joke.

Arguing that cell phone evidence is a confirmation of guilt demonstrates a lack of understanding how cellular communications work. How line of sight, cell traffic, frequency and antenna hopping affects everything.

I know you've done sterling work exposing the prosecution's/courts' nonsense around the mobile phone "evidence".

I was merely inviting Vixen to explain what she meant by "triage" of mobile phone masts (yet another instance of Vixen using a bizarrely ignorant word LOL)
 
Obviously, the 'Mr. X' in the example might not be guilty of any crime in reality but he was there at place Y and should be able to give us an explanation for it. We need an explanation as to why Knox was there at the cottage when 'the young Miss Kercher was killed', as found as a fact by the courts and we haven't had any at all. Likewise why Sollecito did lie about being on his computer all evening and denying he's switched his phone off. (Cue a load of nonsense about how the cops wouldn't give hm a calendar so he mistook Wednesday for a Tuesday: why do people insist in believing this stuff..?)

You've now had this explained to you several times.

The reason why the Marasca SC panel included (had to include) the contradictory nonsense about Knox being at the cottage at the time of the murder.... is because those were, at that time, the affirmed findings of the SC panel adjudicating Knox's criminal slander charge. Had Marasca simply stated that Knox and Sollecito had had nothing to do with the murder, and that there was no credible, reliable evidence placing either of them in the cottage at the time of the murder, this would have countermanded that extant SC ruling on Knox's criminal slander.

And that would have automatically necessitated a revision process, in order to bring the two SC verdicts into concordance with each other. Marasca didn't want all of that to have to happen (and it would obviously have reflected very poorly on the Italian criminal justice system as well)

Of course, since 2015 Knox's criminal slander conviction has been correctly exposed as improper and unlawful by the ECHR. And it's ultimately inevitable that Knox will be acquitted on this charge as well. On top of the shocking unlawfulness of Knox's interrogation, there's not one single piece of credible, reliable evidence to place either Knox or Sollecito at the cottage at (or even anywhere near) the time of the murder.
 
I know you've done sterling work exposing the prosecution's/courts' nonsense around the mobile phone "evidence".

I was merely inviting Vixen to explain what she meant by "triage" of mobile phone masts (yet another instance of Vixen using a bizarrely ignorant word LOL)
I meant 'triangulation' of course. Not 'triage'.
 
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I've been discussing this elsewhere; however, I'd like some clarification. The cell data shows that Meredith was in the vicinity of the WIND cell tower that received the SMS on the 1st November on other occasions. It's clear that if it doesn't normally serve VDP7, she'd be in that vicinity of the WIND cell tower. Meredith has made more calls home that connected with that tower. Does anyone know if any of Meredith's friends lived in that area, or are there any bars or clubs in the area that might explain the other cell phone traffic connecting to the WIND tower?
 
Obviously, the 'Mr. X' in the example might not be guilty of any crime in reality but he was there at place Y and should be able to give us an explanation for it. We need an explanation as to why Knox was there at the cottage when 'the young Miss Kercher was killed', as found as a fact by the courts and we haven't had any at all.
Other than her retracted interrogation statements, please provide actual evidence that places Knox at the cottage that night.
Likewise why Sollecito did lie about being on his computer all evening and denying he's switched his phone off.
Where does he deny he switched his phone off?
(Cue a load of nonsense about how the cops wouldn't give hm a calendar so he mistook Wednesday for a Tuesday: why do people insist in believing this stuff..?)
When I presented the comparison of his signed statements to known facts, it showed that they could not have happened and they corresponded more with proven events on Halloween night. Your counterargument was that Popovic had lied and suggested some kind of conspiracy between her family and the Sollecitos.
 
Try and think of it as a philosophical question. For example, you have a fine bone china plate, which you drop and it breaks into pieces. Now, no amount of your denying it, sticking it back together again, sweeping it under the carpet or blaming the neighbour changes the reality that you broke the plate.

Now, imagine a criminal trial. Person X is accused of being at place Y, at such o'clock, and this is established in court as a matter of scientific fact - CCTV, mobile phone mast triage, GPS, together with two independent random members of the public eye witnesses.

The man is acquitted and is let out of jail. Yes, his supporters are over the moon that he has been freed from prison (not sure why because he has no intention of sharing the profits from his story with any of them). But the fact remains as fact, reality and truth that he Mr. X was at place Y at such-o'clock.

So, to the average person in the street, simply being released from jail is the big win; but to the philosopher, the salient hard truth is, Mr. X was there at place Y. A minor victory but the biggy remains. Forever.

So, re the plate you broke, I could patronise you and disrespect you by saying, 'There, there, you didn't do it', when we both know that you did do it. Far more moral and manly would be for you to put up your hand and say, yeah I broke it, pay for a new one and have done with it.

So whilst the pair have been freed thanks to the huge PR campaign, nothing changes. It doesn't automatically mean that 'therefore Guede must have done it alone,' because that is not the established fact. The fact remains - re the final Supreme Court, Knox was present when Meredith was brutally killed, washed off Mez' blood, from her hands, did stage a burglary scene and did criminally and intentionally tell police it was Lumumba who did it, in order to cover up for Guede. These are facts that can't be changed. They are not just 'judicial facts', because if they were, Marasca-Bruno could have easily sent it back to the Nencini merits/appeal court to reconsider the issues as it directs them to.

So, of course, the supporters of Knox and Sollecito have launched a great PR campaign to try to rewrite history by confecting a fairy story that Knox was some kind of 'quirky' Amélie figure who was victimised by a sad Catholic prosecutor who believed in Satan, rather than the cold hard-faced person, as emerged from the trial. Oh, and Meredith remains dead and murdered, and it was established in court who did it. The police are not looking for anyone else.

So yeah, let's patronise each other and pretend they are literally 'innocent', just like we can pretend you never broke the aforesaid plate, as if what did happen in the past can be changed, and the new game-playing changes or hides the grim reality of what physically and actually did happen and cannot be changed.
If the case against Amanda and Raffaele was such a slam dunk, how do you explain the arguments Vixen has to resort to. Why does Vixen has to resort to arguments full of holes. One such argument is the notion Amanda and Raffaele’s supporters are glad are they are acquitted but are denying the facts which support the case for guilt. If this is the case, why they are holes in this argument?

I will use an example to illustrate this point. A motorist has been put on trial for running over and injuring a motorist. The motorist is acquitted at trial. Mr A argues the supports of the motorists are unwilling to accept the facts support the case for the guilt of the motorists. Mr A has to resort to lying to argue the case for the guilt of the motorist. Mr A claims the motorist has a string of convictions for motoring offences when this is not the case. Mr A claims the car of the motorists was caught on CCTV running over the motorist when in reality the vehicle caught on CCTV is completely different from the vehicle owned by the motorist and there is CCTV showing the vehicle of the motorist was somewhere else when the motorist was run over. Mr A claims the motorist confessed to running over the pedestrian when no such confession exists and lies there was damage to the vehicle of the motorist consistent with hitting a pedestrian when no such damage exists. In my example the question arises if the case against the motorists was clear cut and his supporters were denial about facts supporting his guilt, why would Mr A need to lie to argue the case of the guilt of the motorist which indicates the facts don’t support the case for guilt.

If the case against Amanda was a slam dunk and the facts supported the case for guilt and Amanda and Raffaele’s supporters are in denial about this, why does Vixen have to resort to lie on an industrial scale in her posts as shown below. Lying is something you resort when you don’t have facts to support your case.

https://internationalskeptics.com/f...ffaele-sollecito-part-32.363048/post-14614593

https://internationalskeptics.com/f...meredith-kercher-part-23.312658/post-11598412

https://internationalskeptics.com/f...ffaele-sollecito-part-26.321793/post-11942728

https://internationalskeptics.com/f...ffaele-sollecito-part-32.363048/post-14610192

https://internationalskeptics.com/f...ffaele-sollecito-part-32.363048/post-14573506

https://internationalskeptics.com/f...ffaele-sollecito-part-32.363048/post-14573506

https://internationalskeptics.com/forums/index.php?posts/14558306/



If the case against Amand and Raffaele was so solid and the facts supported the case for guilt and Amanda and Raffaele’s supporters are unwilling to acknowledge this, why has Vixen been consistently unable to present any arguments supported by facts. Here are some examples

Amanda, Raffaele and Guede came together to commit murder

The notion has zero credibility as there are massive holes in the scenario

https://internationalskeptics.com/f...ffaele-sollecito-part-32.363048/post-14663459

The prosecution had solid evidence against Amanda and Raffaele

The facts overwhelmingly show this to be the false and there is not a single fact which supports the notion there was solid evidence against Amanda and Raffaele

https://internationalskeptics.com/f...ffaele-sollecito-part-32.363048/post-14614593

The notion Amanda was railroaded by a rogue prosecutor is a myth

The actions of Mignini contradicted this

https://internationalskeptics.com/f...ffaele-sollecito-part-32.363048/post-14668890

https://internationalskeptics.com/f...ffaele-sollecito-part-32.363048/post-14615847

The massei and Nencini trials were fair and the notion Amanda was railroaded by a backward and corrupt justice system is a myth

The excellent website below shows the numerous abuses Amanda suffered under the Italian justice system and rips the Massei and Nencini courts to shreds

Amanda Knox: Auguries of Innocence | One observer's view of the Amanda Knox case | Page 2
 
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Vixen previously claimed that cell masts "rotate" and it took quite a bit of evidence for her to admit they didn't.
I remember her posting images of rotating radar antennas, not cellular telephone antennas. I showed pictures of each of the specific cellular antennas that connected the various calls made by different individuals.
 
Mobile phone antennae don't rotate either.

And tell me more about this "triage" of mobile phone masts LMAO
There is a rhyme and reason to how mobile cell antennas work with your phone. It involves everything from who your carrier is, their arrangements to use other towers that aren't theirs, strength of signal, data congestion, geography, line of sight, and the software. In a way, the cellular base stations do perform a triage of sorts. But unless you have access to up to the second data of the phone traffic in the area, you couldn't understand why a call used a particular antenna.

You can generally, determine the most likely antenna by the location of the phone. But only generally.
 
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I've been discussing this elsewhere; however, I'd like some clarification. The cell data shows that Meredith was in the vicinity of the WIND cell tower that received the SMS on the 1st November on other occasions. It's clear that if it doesn't normally serve VDP7, she'd be in that vicinity of the WIND cell tower. Meredith has made more calls home that connected with that tower. Does anyone know if any of Meredith's friends lived in that area, or are there any bars or clubs in the area that might explain the other cell phone traffic connecting to the WIND tower?
IIRC, The Wind tower antenna while farther away from the cottage, had a perfect line of sight to both the cottage and an escape route possibly used by Rudy. But because there was a very close antenna less than a block away, there was little reason that the Wind tower would be used. Except that the cottage was made of stone. And that might come into play. Also, the carrier she uses might prioritize their own equipment.
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IIRC, The Wind tower antenna while farther away from the cottage, had a perfect line of sight from across the valley. Other much closer antennas had to deal with stone walls etc. Also the Wind tower was in a less dense populated area so radio strength probably was higher.

Cell antennas in the middle of nowhere have much more powerful radio signals which allows them to cover a greater area. Whereas in denser urban areas, they have use more antennas with lower power and service smaller areas.

Wait a minute, are you saying cell signals can't penetrate stone walls etc.?

I hope you're not also talking about regular walls, because that would make cell phones inoperable inside buildings.
 
Wait a minute, are you saying cell signals can't penetrate stone walls etc.?

I hope you're not also talking about regular walls, because that would make cell phones inoperable inside buildings.
Hard to say. Depends on the materials, how thick they are and strength of the signal. Stone walls absolutely can block and reflect radio signals. It all depends on their thickness and the type of stone. Also, buildings have windows. Note that light waves and radio waves go right through windows. But you can block light by making the glass opaque. But radio waves depending on the frequency is probably not going to be affected.

The science behind all of this is pretty fascinating.
 
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Hard to say. Depends on the materials, how thick they are and strength of the signal. Stone walls absolutely can block and reflect radio signals. It all depends on their thickness and the type of stone. Also, buildings have windows. Note that light waves and radio waves go right through windows. But you can block light by making the glass opaque. But radio waves depending on the frequency is probably not going to be affected.

The science behind all of this is pretty fascinating.


I know what you mean, my job in the Air Force was as an ECM tech (Electronic Counter Measures, radar detection and jamming), but that was fifty years ago, and I forgot a lot of that crap.
 

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