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As an aside to the Free Speech discussion as it relates to the subject of this thread, those who choose to mock, sneer and laugh at the idea that free speech is under attack in the UK, need to take a look at this case...
OK. Let's look.
A freelance journalist in Cornwall (Rebecca Tidy-Harris) ...
First off, Tidy is not a freelance journalist. She's a tweeter. About as much of a journalist as any other tweeter, like half the members of this board who retweet news stories. No press passes and such. A woman with an X account.

{eta: correction- she does occasionally write some of those little blurb articles you ignore on yahoo and MSN pages. She is no Bob ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Woodward}
reported on Twitter/X that a local ex-Policeman (Harry Tang)
Its Tangye.
has been arrested for stalking and harassing someone, and was due to appear in Bodmin Magistrates Court in November. She also shared an article from the publication Plymouth LIVE, about the same case - None of her posts made anything up or included any speculation, or facts that were not in evidence - they are all established, checkable facts with public filings.
The issues police had were that A) she tweeted the accused guys name and street address before it was public domain. That is actually problematic, and likely illegal (check the dates; the police are right), and B) She was believed to be receiving information and acting on behalf of the accused guys former partner, who Tangye had a restraining order against. Tangye presented correspondence between two other officers and Tidy to back this accusation up.
Finally, in a later post, she posted a photo of herself and her child on a beach in front of her sister's house.
Even Tidy does not say it was in front of her sister's house. She says her sister lives in the area. As in, driving distance.

What Tidy forgets to mention is the captioning in her beach selfie (did you notice she forgot to mention that?). She spells out the name of the place, Lusty Glaze, which is a private beach, not the popular public one in Newquay she keeps referring to. Tidy herself never referred to it as Lusty Glaze in interviews. Lusty Glaze Drive (where the private beach is located) is the specific street the accused lives on.

Tidy sometimes says that she was arrested and locked up for 14 hours, and sometimes that the whole ordeal lasted 5 minutes, as she went in with a solicitor and a prepared statement. Tidy says the interviewers were polite, and she was not arrested, but released after the brief interview.

So all in? There was (I guess) reason for suspicion to question Tidy, and it doesn't seem like they were unduly aggressive.

I got this information from Tidy's own account, btw. I'm sure the police version would have additional information Tidy also forgot to mention.

Sauce:
 
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If Kimmel wants to use their platform, yes, they have every right. The FCC's involvement in this matter seems excessive, but not Sinclair's; they own the stations.

“Seems excessive”.

There‘s the right’s commitment to free speech for you in a nutshell.

The FCC commissioner opening and blatantly threatening a media company in violation of the First Amendment “seems excessive”.
 
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It was a stupid comment.

Treating this like she’s a co-host on The View instead of the most powerful law enforcement officer in the country.

Embarrassing levels of apologism for openly fascist behavior.

Bondi was the Florida State AG. We may fault her politics, but she seems reasonably qualified.

She doesn’t seem to have a firm grasp on the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Feels like that might be an important qualification for her job.
 
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And that doesn't take away from the fact that people attacking her are ignoring the fact that she amended her statement.

It’s hard to tell if you know that doesn’t matter and are lying about it or you are actually gullible enough to think it matters.

Either way, I wish the unanimous lack of concern from the conservatives on this forum about this was more surprising.

But the good news is that we officially no longer have to take them seriously when they pretend to care about free speech.
 
we are still talking about a single person and extrapolating from that to the entire country?

If you want to talk about criminalizing Speech in the UK, go with pro-Palestine protesters and you would have an easy case. This one is pretty murky.
 
Yes, that one. If you call articles like "Men crave constant attention and cannot handle being alone" for the Sun and Daily Mail being a journalist, vaya con dios.

And in the context of the story and police questioning, she was a tweeter on her personal tweety account, nothing more.

ETA: a dozen fluff and filler articles over two years makes you a freelance journalist now? Individual forumites post more than that here, with more research and eloquence, and for damn sure more interesting topics.
 
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I count about 100 over the last 5 years - you're just cherry picking the last two years for your own benefit. I'm sure she's pretty vacuous, but why the desperate need to make everything look even worse than it actually is? It does you no credit.
 
I count about 100 over the last 5 years - you're just cherry picking the last two years for your own benefit.
Or... and hear me out, here... I looked at the link you literally ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ provided and noticed that at around a dozen articles it was already reading '2 years ago'.
I'm sure she's pretty vacuous, but why the desperate need to make everything look even worse than it actually is? It does you no credit.
Your browbeating might be better applied to thr guy tring to frame this as an attack on the freedom of the Press. She ain't the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Press, man.
 
OK. Let's look.
Yeah, lets actually have a good look shall we?

First off, Tidy is not a freelance journalist. She's a tweeter. About as much of a journalist as any other tweeter, like half the members of this board who retweet news stories. No press passes and such.
Oopsie, a lie!

A woman with an X account.
A woman with a PhD in Political Science
A former University Lecturer in Policing, Public Services and Business Management at Plymouth University.
A former lecturer in Counterterrorism, Quantitative Analysis and Electoral Studies at the University of Exeter.
A freelance, published journalist with articles in Al Jazeera, The Sun, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail, and VICE News.

Yeah, your charaterizartion of Rebecca Tidy "some woman with an X account" is complete, clueless bull-◊◊◊◊. Once again, you have no ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ idea what you are talking about?

Its Tangye.
And?

The issues police had were that A) she tweeted the accused guys name and street address before it was public domain. That is actually problematic, and likely illegal (check the dates; the police are right)
Umm, no. That is what the Police have claimed.... turns out out she never mentioned his name, only that he was an "ex Police Sergeant"

I saw the original Twitter Post, when it was first made. Did you?

(B) She was believed to be receiving information and acting on behalf of the accused guys former partner, who Tangye had a restraining order against. Tangye presented correspondence between two other officers and Tidy to back this accusation up.
"Believed" is not evidence. UK Police use this canard to apply pressure to people.

Even Tidy does not say it was in front of her sister's house. She says her sister lives in the area. As in, driving distance.
Another oopsie!

Did you watch her interview? (of course you didn't). She LITERALLY said the part of the beach on which the photo was taken is "right in front of her sisters house"

What Tidy forgets to mention is the captioning in her beach selfie (did you notice she forgot to mention that?). She spells out the name of the place, Lusty Glaze, which is a private beach, not the popular public one in Newquay she keeps referring to. Tidy herself never referred to it as Lusty Glaze in interviews. Lusty Glaze Drive (where the private beach is located) is the specific street the accused lives on.
And a simple check immediately shows another oopsie - you're telling porkies.... again!

Lusty Glaze also known as Lusty Glaze Beach, is a beach in Newquay, Cornwall.Lusty Glaze is privately owned, notably to the low watermark. For much of the year, the beach is open, free of charge to the public. The only access to the beach is via 133 steps.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Newquay Beach is actually the same ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ beach!!!! Lusty Glaze is just the private part - they are literally a 30 second walk from each other. I know the area well - my half-brother lived in that area when I visited him in the 1990s before he moved to Bexhill.

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Tidy also told the Daily Mail that she was arrested and locked up for 14 hours.
Another lie!


This Daily Mail article makes no mention of locking her up or 14 hours.

But she told The Times that the whole ordeal lasted 5 minutes, as she went in with a solicitor and a prepared statement.
Correct.


Tidy says the interviewers were polite, and she was not arrested, but released after the brief interview.
Of course she was, she refused to answer questions (which is her right) and her solicitor was there to record what happened.

So all in? There was (I guess) reason for suspicion to question Tidy, and it doesn't seem.like they were unduly aggressive.

I got this information from Tidy's own account, btw. I'm sure the police version would have additional.information Tidy also forgot to mention.
Regardless of your feeble attempts to assassinate this woman's character (and its disturbing how often this appears to be your go-to) the fact is that all four of the Tweets she posted were LAWFUL. This was confirmed by her lawyer, and the Police should never have been involved.

This is a case of bent coppers doing the bidding of their chum.
 
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Or... and hear me out, here... I looked at the link you literally ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ provided and noticed that at around a dozen articles it was already reading '2 years ago'.
Or - and hear me out - you looked at the link I provided and decided not to scroll down far enough to take a reasonable position - that this woman is a journalist (i.e. she probably makes a reasonable proportion of her tiny income from writing for newspapers, magazines or news outlets such as the Daily Mail, Computer Weekly, MSN, Telegraph, the i paper, etc etc).
 
You realize I'm talking about the rhetoric HERE ON ISF, right? The pervasive compulsion to always paint anything even vaguely conservative as fascist nazi, and to excuse any behavior from liberals.

Like you've done, right here, right now.
Link, please"
Or, since you say "right now," is it a reference to Kyle Rittenhouse, whom I mentioned in my post?
Do you think Kyle Rittenhouse is "vaguely conservative"?

ETA: Apropos ...
 
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Who, exactly, was Charlie Kirk threatening? Better yet, what institution was he threatening, if any?

Think about it. If Charlie, this lone individual, was talking in a town square in China, every member of this forum would know what institution was being threatened.

Rushdie and Galileo were two individuals who threatened some pretty big institutions. I have no doubt there would be a consensus on both. I have never thought of atheism or secularism as institutions, but I seriously doubt they felt threatened by a 31 year old Christian.

So. Who, or what, was being threatened by Charlie Kirk?
Lets see, black people who aren't Candace Owens (and if she thinks she's anything other than a Chaim Rumkowski, she's even more stupid than I've given her credit for), women of any colour, intersex people, LGBT+ people, any jews capable of thinking long term, members of trades union, workers generally.... To be fair it'd be a lot easier to list the kind of person who shouldn't have felt threatened by Charlie baby's rhetoric: cis-het WASP males who are part of the 0.001%.
 
The freedom to lie with impunity

From The All New Government-Approved The Daily Show:
Jon Stewart's Post-Kimmel Primer on Free Speech in the Glorious Trump Era (The Daily Show on YouTube, Sep 19, 2025 - 23:23 min.)
A humble, obedient Jon Stewart heaps praise upon America's Glorious Leader, Donald J. Trump, and provides an FCC-approved refresher on the rules of free speech in the wake of Jimmy Kimmel's suspension. Plus, the TDS News Team serenades the world's greatest, large-penised leader.

12.12--> Jon Stewart: Look, there are certain rules of free speech that we must all abide by, but in case anyone needs a refresher, we're going to go over the rules again.

The MAGA guy on CNN (Scott Jennings??): He does not have a right to have a television show where he lies his ass off to the American people.
Chrissy Clarke on Newsmax: There are repercussions to spreading lies.

Jon Stewart: Exactly. [LAUGHTER] And even though two months ago, our president, because of his grand ability to see the future – it's a curse – [LAUGHTER] somehow knew that Kimmell would be next, as he explicitly said. You can't just make things up on television. People cannot just go on television and mislead viewers with made-up crap.

Steven Miller on Fox News: Millions of illegal aliens that Border Czar Harris brought into the country will be voting.
Mo Brooks (?) on Fox News: The bottom line is this. There is massive voter fraud.
?? on Fox News: Global warming is a hoax.
Pam Bondi on Fox News: Crime – crime is at an all-time high right now.
Jeanine Pirro on Fox News: $50 million on condoms in Gaza.
?? on Fox News: They're taking people's pets and killing them and eating them.
Tucker Carlson on Fox News: On January 6, two years ago, the overwhelming majority were peaceful. They were orderly and meek. These were not insurrectionists. They were sightseers. All true. [AUDIENCE BOOING]
 
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Pet peeve: these verses don't say that the Old Testament law still applies. They say that it doesn't, because it's been fulfilled.
No they say the opposite, they say that Jesus came to continue the law in fulfilment of prophesy. The whole idea that christianity and Jesus negated mosaic law is an invention of the authors of the pauline epistles in order to pander to the deeply anti-semitic direction the 2nd century church was taking.
 
Lets see, black people who aren't Candace Owens (and if she thinks she's anything other than a Chaim Rumkowski, she's even more stupid than I've given her credit for), women of any colour, intersex people, LGBT+ people, any jews capable of thinking long term, members of trades union, workers generally.... To be fair it'd be a lot easier to list the kind of person who shouldn't have felt threatened by Charlie baby's rhetoric: cis-het WASP males who are part of the 0.001%.
... cis-het WASP males who are part of the 0.001% and vote MAGA!

And let me add, parents who don't want their children to watch public executions.
 
No they say the opposite, they say that Jesus came to continue the law in fulfilment of prophesy. The whole idea that christianity and Jesus negated mosaic law is an invention of the authors of the pauline epistles in order to pander to the deeply anti-semitic direction the 2nd century church was taking.
That is, as far as I was taught by actual Christians, incorrect. Jesus fulfilled the law. The law has no purpose any more.
 

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