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Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

plague311 said:
According to Axios he referred to his trans-roommate as his "love". It might be that the guy is left-wing and he did this for left-wing reasons...or he was just a young kid who was pissed about the way Charlie talked about someone he cared about.
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The latter seems more likely. If he really was sitting around watching liberal social media channels all day, it would have been made headlines by the FBI by now.
 
plague311 said:
According to Axios he referred to his trans-roommate as his "love". It might be that the guy is left-wing and he did this for left-wing reasons...or he was just a young kid who was pissed about the way Charlie talked about someone he cared about.
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But also trans partners are not uncommon in groyper subculture
 
Elaedith said:
Are you describing what you are doing?



No idea what that means.

Nazis use sexual expressions from furry culture on Twitter?
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When you see Nazis nudging each other on social media, with how clever they are with their codes, and where they use the description that they are "noticers" it tends to jump out at you. Especially with the whole kekistan and Pepe the frog memes.
 
NYPost and other sources now post transcript of communication with his roommate. The are lovers. The room mate is trans. He did it because of Kirk spreading hate, not much more details on that. Doesn't sound much like Groyper ..
 
The groyper angle doesn't seem to be panning out. The charging document shows that Robinson stated his motive in a text messages to his lover. When his lover asked him why he committed the murder, he responded, "I've had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out." He also told his father that he killed Kirk because Kirk "spreads too much hate." His mother also said that her son had recently become "more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented." Altogether, this would seem to suggest that Robinson killed Kirk because he perceived him to be spreading anti-trans and maybe anti-gay hate.

Seems like my so-called "willfully ignorant" prior held up pretty well compared with those who updated theirs with only the evidence that fit their favored narrative. Go figure.
 
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I had previously noted, the right wing is bound and determined to make this a trans, left-wing thing, and that trans folks are so ◊◊◊◊◊◊. I guess I need to add gay folks.
 
Walter said:
I am pretty sure that I have known the problem for a number of years. All one has to do is look at the progression of terms used for Republicans over the last 65 years. In 1960, my father was a Republican. Period.

Then something very mysterious happened. In a very nice gradual way, there was this little progression to conservative Republican, right wing conservative, far right wing conservative, ultra right wing conservative, right wing conservative Christian fundamentalist, gun nut, bigot, racist, misogynist, homophobe, Islamophobe, xenophobe, fascist, Nazi.

And that, to put it mildly, was the end. There was no place to go. There was no next descriptive term. That was it. Finished. All that was left was louder and more often. Done.

What do you think comes next?

It does not take logical, reasoned thinking to come up with an answer. Anyone, regardless of educational background, upbringing, socioeconomic status, race or religion can come up with the answer.
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In 1960, I was a Republican. Period. Of course, I was only 12 years old and my parents were Republicans.
My parents probably would have preferred Rockefeller to Nixon in that year, but certainly voted for him.
I cast my first Presidential vote for Nixon, in 1972. I was happy to see him gone after Watergate, but voted for Ford in '76.

I never left the Republican Party. It left me.

Reagan's Voodoo Economics. (Bush I, the smarter one, was right.)
Tax cuts for the rich, with lies about being for everyone. Ever increasing deficits.
Lots of smears for "Tax and Spend Democrats" but none for the Borrow and Spend Republicans.
Along with the ever increasing influence of far-right Christians.

By about 1990, my political views hadn't really changed that much. But the Republican Party had betrayed everything I believed.
 
jt512 said:
The groyper angle doesn't seem to be panning out. The charging document shows that Robinson stated his motive in a text messages to his lover. When his lover asked him why he committed the murder, he responded, "I've had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out." He also told his father that he killed Kirk because Kirk "spreads too much hate." His mother also said that her son had recently become "more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented." Altogether, this would seem to suggest that Robinson killed Kirk because he perceived him to be spreading anti-trans and maybe anti-gay hate.

Seems like my so-called "willfully ignorant" prior held up pretty well.
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Your prior was that he was a leftist. I haven’t seen any evidence that politics played a role.

Either way, bad methodology isn’t validated by a correct conclusion.
 
RWNJs really know how to turn down the temp.

MAGA influencer Ali Alexander called on President Donald Trump to arrest and possibly kill 500,000 Americans who identify with left-wing groups like Antifa, according to a new report.
Right Wing Watch reported on Tuesday that Alexander made those comments on a Telegram livestream over the weekend. They come at a time when several right-wing figures have called for a national divorce in the wake of Kirk's murder.

"My attention is going to be on trying to get [FBI Director] Kash Patel fired, trying to get Donald Trump off his fat a-- to avenge his friend, trying to use state power to tell civil libertarians to shut up while we excise all of antifa from our country," Alexander said. "I think 500,000 people need to be arrested, tried, and possibly killed if they're convicted for treason or something like that. I think America needs a penal colony. I do not want to coexist with these people."
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jimbob said:
Just as fourteen words isn't an innocent phrase on their hands.
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No idea what that means.
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"14 Words" is a reference to the most popular white supremacist slogan in the world: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." The slogan was coined by David Lane, a member of the white supremacist terrorist group known as The Order (Lane died in prison in 2007). The term reflects the primary white supremacist worldview in the late 20th and early 21st centuries: that unless immediate action is taken, the white race is doomed to extinction by an alleged "rising tide of color" purportedly controlled and manipulated by Jews.
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jimbob said:
We still knew he was a groyper at the start of the conversation. Several days beforehand. We knew that.

And then there is this.

About the groyper cult and its relationship with trans culture.


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Just bumping because this got missed, and it's got some important points.

My conclusion, not necessarily part of the video? Incel culture is scary, whether it's Charlie Kirk or whether it's the shooter, or whether it's groypers or MAGA.

As a woman, this whole event just chills me.
 
jimbob said:
Because of the context, and context and hidden messages are how the whole groyper and similar subcultures communicate. In fact I wonder if that is one explanation for QAnon - if someone's group spends time using context to give phrases hidden meanings, then maybe they are primed to see them everywhere.

Just as fourteen words isn't an innocent phrase on their hands.

It's one of those things that waves a huge red flag for me after seeing so many Nazis using the phrase on Twitter.
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Indeed. Before the Jan 6 insurrection, I'll bet no-one other than a far right anti-Semitic white supremacist would know the meaning of "6MWE"
 
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