So what form does the resistance take?

Steve said:
You should be. It has a serious detrimental effect on your country. Too many Americans being disinterested in what Trump wants is what got him elected.
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I don't think you got my point. Im saying we should engage in massive peaceful protest regardless of what Trump wants or does. Or tries to instigate in order to get more power.
 
Hercules56 said:
Im not really interested at all in what Trump wants.
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That's an admirable attitude in the abstract, but when Trump and his minions have the power to create the disturbances they want, it's something that needs to be considered. We are, after all, living in a time when a large portion of our public will believe anything their leader tells them to. If Jesus Christ walked down the street blessing people right and left, and the cops and the creatures of the powers that be said he was inciting violence and shot him dead, half the population would take their word for it. If Jesus Christ actually existed and stood up in front of Trump and said "I'm Jesus," and Trump said "No you're not, I am," a fearsome percentage of the people in this country would agree with him.

e.t.a. sent in before last Hercules post. Post #1002 clarifies, but I'll leave this up rather than delete, just to avoid confusion.

Oh, but while at it, note to steve: it's a lost cause I know, but there is a difference between being uninterested and disinterested. A person who doesn't care is uninterested. A person who has no dog in the fight is disinterested, even though he might care deeply.
 
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Democracy's frontlines: how ordinary Americans are resisting authoritarianism (MSNBC on YouTube, Aug 31, 2025 - 9:04 min.)
From small-town protests to crowded courthouses and fiery town halls, ordinary Americans are standing up, taking action, and refusing to let democracy slip away. The fight for our democracy lives in communities everywhere, not just in the halls of power. We explore how each act of defiance—no matter how small—chips away at authoritarianism’s grip.
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National Guard troops enforcing Trump's fascist agenda may soon become a reality in many US cities. How do we appropriately respond to this?

Civil disobedience?

Non-violent protest?

Violence?

I think the 1st two are very much appropriate immediately.

There is ZERO need for any troops in any part of the country. Local and State Police can handle it just fine. And if not, Governors can call up the National Guard.



Therefore is it totally appropriate to peacefully obstruct the activities of any troops working under Trump.
 
Hercules56 said:
National Guard troops enforcing Trump's fascist agenda may soon become a reality in many US cities. How do we appropriately respond to this?

Civil disobedience?

Non-violent protest?

Violence?

I think the 1st two are very much appropriate immediately.

There is ZERO need for any troops in any part of the country. Local and State Police can handle it just fine. And if not, Governors can call up the National Guard.



Therefore is it totally appropriate to peacefully obstruct the activities of any troops working under Trump.
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Violence is perfectly appropriate just as immediately, if the situation demands it. There is ample precedent in many states for defending yourself with force against unlawful restraint by a LEO, depending on circumstances.
 
Thermal said:
Violence is perfectly appropriate just as immediately, if the situation demands it. There is ample precedent in many states for defending yourself with force against unlawful restraint by a LEO, depending on circumstances.
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Im not talking about violence against violence, Im talking about violence against troops before they have engaged in any violence at the moment.

That is not justified.
 
Hercules56 said:
Im not talking about violence against violence, Im talking about violence against troops before they have engaged in any violence at the moment.

That is not justified.
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We have had that for decades. Do you remember after 9/11 how we would have Nat'l Guard at airports and train stations and major events? Hell, the Guard is called out in times of natural disaster. There's nothing wrong with having them out for various reasons.

But I'd say a Guardsman who pointed a weapon at me for any reason whatsoever (I don't care if he was a-scared by an imaginary threat) has given me justification to defend myself with force. That's the kind of thing we are seeing with ICE raids on factories, seizing random brown skinned people for no reason at all.
 
My take is the US is effectively done as a cohesive unit. We need to admit that the differences in culture and vision for the future are too great to overcome (and have been increasing). On that note, I think the resistance is fighting for greater state autonomy and the gradual dissolution of the union (with the possible exception of same basic shared services). Of course, some states will form alliances with others, and there will likely be shifting of lands (e.g. eastern Oregon will want to leave the rest of the state) The longer this is prolonged, the more political violence we'll see. In the minds of the MAGA folks, the killing of Charlie Kirk has just upped the ante.
 
Louden Wilde said:
My take is the US is effectively done as a cohesive unit. We need to admit that the differences in culture and vision for the future are too great to overcome (and have been increasing). On that note, I think the resistance is fighting for greater state autonomy and the gradual dissolution of the union (with the possible exception of same basic shared services). Of course, some states will form alliances with others, and there will likely be shifting of lands (e.g. eastern Oregon will want to leave the rest of the state) The longer this is prolonged, the more political violence we'll see. In the minds of the MAGA folks, the killing of Charlie Kirk has just upped the ante.
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You think partioning of the US is not going to lead to massive political violence?
And you really do seem happy about this
 
dudalb said:
You think partioning of the US is not going to lead to massive political violence?
And you really do seem happy about this
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No, I'm not happy about it* - I don't know how you infer that. But I do think it's the best course and at this point I would advocate for it. Yes there will be some violence. But violence is inevitable - and already happening. The right is not preaching unity, and eager to impose more of their values/regulations on the whole country. With a break-up I'd bet you get some states with reduced violence (due to tighter gun regulations). Divorce can be ugly, but better than a loveless/fundamentally incompatible marriage.

ETA - If anything, I'm annoyed that people are ignoring the obvious/clinging to false hope - i.e. sunken cost fallacy
 
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