Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

Lisbeth said:
RIP

It's interesting how this site is not wanting to address this. Had it been a notable liberal activist I'm sure the chattering class here would be talking more about it. Frankly I'm grateful to see there's not as much gloating as I anticipated even though I'm sure it's still there. This was one of the biggest political assassinations in the United States in a long time and it's been covered all across the news and in the White House and Congress but not here because..... reasons.
Once the liberal activist killer is apprehended I'll look forward to the excuse making here and any lack of condemnation in fact I'll expect Maga to be blamed regardless of who the shooter is. James RandI would be embarrassed by this site.
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Huh? No one I know is gloating.
 
Donald Trump said:
When they let, I think the real number is 15, 16 million people into our country, when they do that, we got a lot of work to do. They’re poisoning the blood of our country. That’s what they’ve done. They poisoned mental institutions and prisons all over the world, not just in South America, not just the three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world.
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Adolf Hitler in [I]Mein Kampf[/I] said:
"North America, whose population consists in by far the largest part of Germanic elements who mixed but little with the lower colored peoples, shows a different humanity and culture from Central and South America, where the predominantly Latin immigrants often mixed with the aborigines on a large scale. "

"All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning."

"A new cultural wave makes its entrance and continues until those who have brought it are again submerged in the blood of foreign peoples"
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See? See? TOTALLY different language and sentiments....
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Huh? No one I know is gloating.
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Some here have pointed out the irony of someone who said "it's worth a cost of some gun deaths every year to have the Second Amendment' getting killed in a school shooting, and even more ironical that he was about to answer a question about gun violence when he was shot. IMO that implies a level of gloating. I would never do that.

I admire Charlie Kirk for bravely standing up and making the ultimate sacrifice for what he believed in. I was even more impressed when I found out that there was no major security or metal detectors at the event. That makes him a true hero in my book, risking his own life to get the message out unhindered by onerous security measures that stifle free speech.

And what a powerful message he delivered - the bullet he took literally answering the gun violence question for him. Far from being ironical, it actually proved his point. Charlie Kirk was no coward who expected others to do the dying for his ideology. He willingly became one of those gun deaths that are worth it.

Now you may say that he was just an idiot for putting himself in harm's way, and that it did nothing to address the issue of gun violence. But if so you are wrong. Not only did he smoke out an extremist who would have shot up a whole classroom of kids if Charlie hadn't made himself an easier target, but his tragic death has sparked real progress on the issue. The Left is now forced to disown the bloodthirsty radicals within their midst, and we are finally starting to appreciate the pressures young conservative Christian men face that cause a few of them to pick up a rifle.

Instead of gloating over the supposed irony of this tragedy, we should honor Charlie's memory by having a proper discussion on gun violence and the reasons for it. It's time we stopped dehumanizing these tortured souls by calling them 'the shooter' and had some empathy for their plight. Except for the godless liberal ones of course. They should be put to death in an appropriate manner.
 
" making the ultimate sacrifice" my bum.
Kirk never believed he might get killed or he would have had much better security. It's not like he had an actually dangerous job like lumberjack or delivery driver.

This is such a stupid expression to use for someone not doing something that helped anyone but himself and some very bad people.

Using the expression lessen the actual sacrifice of people who fought and died in the full knowledge that that was likely to happen and did it anyway
 
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The bigger irony is that his death completely overshadowed yet another school shooting with dead kids, making it glaringly obvious that Kirk's supporters really never gave a ◊◊◊◊ about children dying.
There is no indication whatsoever that his shooter would have done a school shooting otherwise - way too low profile, as the complete disinterest in dead children on the same day proves.
Kirk has the blood of children on his hands through his fight for easy access to guns.
 
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I also don't think Charlie Kirk "willingly (!) became one of those gun deaths that are worth it."
He had a whole security detail trying (and failing) to protect him from harm. Did he ever ask for school children to be protected the same way?

I can see why some people don't think that we should feel bad about talking ill of the dead, but shouldn't they be remembered for what they actually represented in real life? Complaining about facts in that context is a little like when people call it a witch hunt if somebody quotes them and does so correctly.
In the case of Kirk, we know that he did actually say:
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage." (Fact Check, YahooNews, Sep 11, 2025)
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Charlie Kirk says gun deaths are 'worth it' to protect our rights in resurfaced 2023 clip (The Independent on YouTube, Sep 12, 2025 - 48 sec.)
Resurfaced footage shows conservative activist Charlie Kirk saying, “It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.” Kirk, who was shot dead while speaking at a university campus in Utah on Wednesday (September 10), made the remarks at a Turning Point USA event in Salt Lake City in April 2023.
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If people later distanced themselves from their own words or had comments about the context in which those words were said, that should be pointed out and remembered, too. I don't know if that's the case with Kirk.
In the case of public figures, I don't think it's relevant to point out what they were like in private life. I don't give a damn if Hitler was a vegetarian and loved his dog, for instance.

Updates: Suspected Charlie Kirk killer, Tyler Robinson, 22, held in custody (AlJazeera, Sep 13, 2025)
In an article titled “Charlie Kirk’s Legacy Deserves No Mourning”, writer Elizabeth Speirs describes Kirk as “an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses because there was no other way to pretend that it was morally correct”.
Speirs unleashed a broadside on what she called a “whitewashing campaign” following Kirk’s death, saying, “It’s a choice to write an obituary that begins ‘Joseph Goebbels was a gifted marketer and loving father to six children’.”
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The Nation on X, Sep 12, 2025
Charlie Kirk was an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses because there was no other way to pretend that it was morally correct.

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dann said:
I also don't think Charlie Kirk "willingly (!) became one of those gun deaths that are worth it."
He had a whole security detail trying (and failing) to protect him from harm. Did he ever ask for school children to be protected the same way?

I can see why some people don't think that we should feel bad about talking ill of the dead, but shouldn't they be remembered for what they actually represented in real life? Complaining about facts in that context is a little like when people call it a witch hunt if somebody quotes them and does so correctly.
In the case of Kirk, we know that he did actually say:


If people later distanced themselves from their own words or had comments about the context in which those words were said, that should be pointed out and remembered, too. I don't know if that's the case with Kirk.
In the case of public figures, I don't think it's relevant to point out what they were like in private life. I don't give a damn if Hitler was a vegetarian and loved his dog, for instance.
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I think you two need to Google some words...

satire
Sarcasm
irony
 
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