Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

Not one single court said that happened. Every single criminal law courrt found Knox guilty of criminal calunnia as charged. In addition, Knox wrote her claims in private of her own volition and handed her statement to a cop saying, 'Here's a present for you'. Maybe if someone ever falsely informs the cops you committed a rape and murder and you were arrested in front of your wife and young crying children with the whole world thinking you are a rapist murderer maybe you won't think your accuser is so endearing after all.
Yes, she wrote two memoriales retracting her signed statements that the police ignored. They ran out and made a spectacle of arresting Lumumba without any attempt whatsoever to verify those statements. Did they arrive at Lumumba's home and even ask him if he had an alibi for the night of Nov. 1? No. Instead, according to Lumumba himself "15 or 20" police "barged in":


With "seven police cars, sirens blazing" he was driven to the police station where he says:

"I was questioned by five men and women, some of whom punched and kicked me. They forced me on my knees against the wall and said I should be in America where I would be given the electric chair for my crime. All they kept saying was, 'You did it, you did it.' I didn't know what I'd 'done'. I was scared and humiliated."

Those are quotes from him about his treatment from the police, yet the PGP, including you, have the audacity to claim that Ficarra would never have cuffed Knox on the back of the head. Riiiiiiiiight.....
 
It was demonstrated in court that police did not provide Knox with Lumumba's name and AK herself in the dock confirmed it.
Knox never gave the police PL's name until Ficarra brought up the text from him. This is what Ficarra saw:

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Anyone with any intellectual honesty at all would know that one of the first things Ficarra would have asked her is "Who is 'Patrik'? That is how is name was first brought up.
The police are only obliged to tell an interviewee they are entitled to a lawyer, there is no compulsion to provide one.
Once they become a suspect, as every court agree happened at the 1:45 statement, Italian law required she have a lawyer. Both Italy (2008) and the ECHR (2019) found that right was violated.
The police did not tell Knox they had evidence that confirmed Lumumba killed Mez. That is a lie suggested by the late Ron Hendry when he claimed police found 'black hairs' so they knew it was a black guy.
"her hands were bloodstained and were protected with plastic bags in order to allow sample collection, as some hairlike fibres could be seen." (Massei, pg 110)
"As for what appeared to be hairlike filaments found on the victim's body, when examined under a microscope they appeared to be strands of wool and gave no results." (Massei, pg. 190)

Absolute rubbish about the 'see you later' message. Italians know perfectly well what 'see you later' means.
So all Italians, even those who don't speak English like Ficarra, know what 'see you later means'?
They were alerted to that message because Knox had a noticeable physiological reaction of shock and horror that the cops had called up that message because she thought she had deleted it!
There's that psychic ability of yours again! You know 'why' she reacted and that she 'thought' she had deleted it. Let's put on that critical thinking hat: Since we know from Lumumba's own testimony that his text to her, and therefore, her reply, were perfectly innocent, just WHY would she have such an extreme reaction to it?
She realised it placed her in Grimana Piazza
Why would it place her at the piazza when even Massei (pg. 77) agrees the cell tower used was NOT the one that serves the cottage and Piazza Grimana just across the street:
the 20.42 phone call and the two visits by Popovic to the Corso Garibaldi's apartment) and by the location of the cell towers that were logged in by the sms exchange between Patrick Diya Lumumba and Amanda Knox, which put Amanda in a place other than the one served by the cell serving via della Pergola 7
Additionally, Massei (pg. 317) states Knox's text to PL used a cell tower that served Sollecito's apartment:
As for the location of the apparatus [the phone], the call made at 20:42:56 on 1.11.07 used the Via Beradi sector 7 cell, which serves the houses located along Corso Garibaldi.
Your claim is 100% disproved.

(we know the pair were aware of phone tracking because they both switched off their phones for the night shortly after Lumumba's message).

There's that psychic mind reading once again telling you what Knox knew! 🔮
She knew she had been caught out lying about her alibi which was she was home all evening.
Because she knew her text to Lumumba would place her at Piazza Grimana and not at Raffaele's apartment....right? :fail:

So the cops, being experienced in this type of body language, were alerted that they had hit a raw nerve.
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Oh, lordy. Resorting to 'the cops were experienced in body language' rubbish, you really are having to scrape the bottom of the barrel!

Together with Napoleoni putting her head around the door and whispering to Ficarra that Sollecito had withdrawn his alibi for Knox. This was why they homed in on the 'see you later' message.
Wait a minute. Just above you said
Absolute rubbish about the 'see you later' message. Italians know perfectly well what 'see you later' means. The cops knew it was a BIG clue.
Now you think it was a "BIG clue"?
And they were right!
How were they "right" in knowing it was a "big clue"? Did, in fact, Knox meet Lumumba later that night and take him to the cottage to murder Kercher? Yes or No will suffice.
 
Be that as it may, police faults and omissions. Nobody but nobody can force you to falsely accuse someone you know is innocent of rape and murder.
Unbelievably wrong even by your standards.
In many cases, innocent suspects who confess implicate others who are also innocent. Some do it because that’s the story their interrogators want to hear. John Kogut, for example, not only falsely confessed to his own involvement in murder, he also said he did it with two friends Dennis Halsted and John Restivo, both of whom (like Kogut) spent 20 years in prison before they were exonerated in 2005.

And some innocent suspects who confess blame others to deflect responsibility and reduce their punishment. Richard Ochoa, for example, was facing the death penalty for the murder of Nancy DePriest in Austin, Texas in 1988. He confessed, named his roommate Richard Danziger as the actual killer and agreed to plead guilty and testify against Danziger. Both were convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Both were exonerated by DNA in 2002.
The Registry includes 195 exonerations with confessions by co-defendants who implicated the exonerees, 11 percent of all exonerations. The net result is that in 19 percent of all exonerations in the United States—and in 34 percent of homicide exonerations—the innocent defendant confessed or was implicated by a false confession of a co-defendant, or both."

And even if the pair were suspects -and why not as AK was the only one with the house key who was around that night - they still wouldn't know for certain. It doesn't benefit them to have some person blurting out any old name.
So why, according to Guede, would she need to knock at the door to be let in by Meredith?
Knox was no more around that night than Filomena.
 
The police claim they stopped the interview as soon as Knox placed herself at the scene.
Of course, the police would never, ever lie to cover for themselves, would they? No......not the police. I mean, look at Napoleoni, Zugarini, and several of their co-officers with their clean criminal records. Oh, wait.....
Or Profazio who coerced false rape confessions from two immigrants who were later completely exonerated when the real rapist was identified and who confessed.
 
Seeing as you consider yourself one of those such people, perhaps explain why Knox and Sollecito told so many lies if they were innocent. I'll get into my listening pose as you explain why the innocuous pair lied, lied and lied again, yet were as innocent as the driven snow. Help me understand.
You've had all of that explained to you multiple times. But you refuse to take off the guilt-colored glasses or to honestly consider it from any viewpoint other than "Guilty!" If you could be helped to understand, you'd have been by now.
 
Yes, she wrote two memoriales retracting her signed statements that the police ignored. They ran out and made a spectacle of arresting Lumumba without any attempt whatsoever to verify those statements. Did they arrive at Lumumba's home and even ask him if he had an alibi for the night of Nov. 1? No. Instead, according to Lumumba himself "15 or 20" police "barged in":



With "seven police cars, sirens blazing" he was driven to the police station where he says:



Those are quotes from him about his treatment from the police, yet the PGP, including you, have the audacity to claim that Ficarra would never have cuffed Knox on the back of the head. Riiiiiiiiight.....
When will Knox take responsibility for what she did to Lumumba? She's an adult not a child
 
Of course, the police would never, ever lie to cover for themselves, would they? No......not the police. I mean, look at Napoleoni, Zugarini, and several of their co-officers with their clean criminal records. Oh, wait.....
Or Profazio who coerced false rape confessions from two immigrants who were later completely exonerated when the real rapist was identified and who confessed.
You are doing whataboutism again.
 
When will Knox take responsibility for what she did to Lumumba? She's an adult not a child
When will Lumumba take responsibility for lying about Knox? Lies he's told about her:
1. He fired her,
2. She behaved inappropriately at work,
3. She was jealous of Knox,
4. She never apologized to him.

When will YOU stop posting misinformation?
 
You are doing whataboutism again.
When that 'whataboutism' is pointing out the proven criminal behavior and coercive behavior of the officers involved in Knox's and Sollecito's interrogation, then it is appropriate.

The next time you bring up Knox's college prank and loud party violation, I'll remind you of your dislike of "whataboutism". Or does that only apply to us?
 
When will Lumumba take responsibility for lying about Knox? Lies he's told about her:
1. He fired her,
2. She behaved inappropriately at work,
3. She was jealous of Knox,
4. She never apologized to him.

When will YOU stop posting misinformation?
It seems there's a typo in #3. IIRC, Lumumba claimed that Knox was jealous of Kercher.
 
When will Lumumba take responsibility for lying about Knox? Lies he's told about her:
1. He fired her,
2. She behaved inappropriately at work,
3. She was jealous of Knox,
4. She never apologized to him.

When will YOU stop posting misinformation?
You seem to miss that Knox committed a criminal offence. Lumumba did not.
 
You seem to miss that Knox committed a criminal offence. Lumumba did not.
Nice defense of Lumumba being a liar. In Italy, she could well have brought a defamation lawsuit against him for the lies he told in that article for which he was paid 70,000 euros.


I also note that you can't even acknowledge that your claim about her knowing her text would place her at Piazza Grimana and that she gave the police PL's name first were both disproven. Or that Knox and Sollecito had no 'criminal records' before the murder. But that's just par for the course, innit?
 
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