Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

Newsies say they caught a white Utah Mormon who wore a Trump
costume to Halloween and liked guns.

Surely there's been some sort of mistake!
 
There are reports of a suspect in custody—maybe reliable reports this time. Pres. Trump announced it, and now our state governor Spencer Cox has confirmed it and named him as 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, a Utah resident. The report says he was turned in by family and friends last night.

On the other hand, local law enforcement is receiving considerable criticism for the premature announcements of suspects in custody and the publication of the names of people initially detained but then released. Apparently there have been credible threats of violence against these people.
 
theprestige said:
Yeah, he should have gone with "adult male human". But nobody's perfect. At least he was on campus talking to people he disagreed with, instead of shooting them.
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At least he was on campus talking to people he disagreed with, instead of shooting them could maybe be the inscription on the statue Republicans want to erect of him to let us know what a hero he was.

Because you certainly can't you use any of his quotes, which is why you aren't here defending anything he actually said.
 
Kash Patel's performance at the news conference reminded me of an acceptance speech at the Academy Awards.

Governor Cox came across as a serious statesman. Under difficult circumstances, he performed very well.

Cox said something like "Social media is a cancer on our society." I have to say some of the remarks I've seen in this thread support that statement.

Yes, Charlie Kirk was a prolific source of extreme rhetoric, and those who regard his rhetoric as hate speech are not entirely wrong. But he did not deserve to die. Kirk's assassin went beyond rhetoric, beyond hate speech. No one should excuse this murder.
 
Donal said:
No one seems to pinpoint any specific actions or quotes from him that were insightful or intelligent or beneficial to society. But, there are plenty of examples of him saying some really vile and inflammatory things. There's the list he made of professors and students to target for harassment (and worse).
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The problem with making one's living from online punditry is that you need to rise above the noise. In the political arena, that often means being more shrill and inflammatory than everyone else.
 
While we're all scratching our heads wondering who could have committed such a horrific act of gun violence, details about the perpetrator in the school shooting that happened at the same time and no one gives a ◊◊◊◊ about have been released.

In a shocking turn of events, it appears that he was a right wing psycho:
The Denver Post reported later Thursday that social media accounts apparently belonging to the suspect were filled with white supremacist content, posts exhibiting a fascination with mass shootings and reposted videos that “were explicitly antisemitic or depicted people in Nazi uniforms.”
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Who could have seen his coming.
 
W.D.Clinger said:
Kash Patel's performance at the news conference reminded me of an acceptance speech at the Academy Awards.

Governor Cox came across as a serious statesman. Under difficult circumstances, he performed very well.

Cox said something like "Social media is a cancer on our society." I have to say some of the remarks I've seen in this thread support that statement.

Yes, Charlie Kirk was a prolific source of extreme rhetoric, and those who regard his rhetoric as hate speech are not entirely wrong. But he did not deserve to die. Kirk's assassin went beyond rhetoric, beyond hate speech. No one should excuse this murder.
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At least Kirk didn't shoot anybody continues to be a hilariously low bar for guy the whole world is now valorizing as some kind of generational icon.
 
JayUtah said:
On the other hand, local law enforcement is receiving considerable criticism for the premature announcements of suspects in custody and the publication of the names of people initially detained but then released. Apparently there have been credible threats of violence against these people.
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what do you mean "local" law enforcement? The Head of the FBI tweeted that they had caught the shooter yesterday.
 
Lisbeth said:
RIP

It's interesting how this site is not wanting to address this. Had it been a notable liberal activist I'm sure the chattering class here would be talking more about it. Frankly I'm grateful to see there's not as much gloating as I anticipated even though I'm sure it's still there. This was one of the biggest political assassinations in the United States in a long time and it's been covered all across the news and in the White House and Congress but not here because..... reasons.
Once the liberal activist killer is apprehended I'll look forward to the excuse making here and any lack of condemnation in fact I'll expect Maga to be blamed regardless of who the shooter is. James RandI would be embarrassed by this site.
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Huh?

That being said, Donal makes a good point. I'm pretty sure Kirk was only famous for the terminally online, normies probably had know idea who he was until yesterday. I would only argue that the terminally online would therefor think they'd get famous from killing him.
 
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W.D.Clinger said:
Kash Patel's performance at the news conference reminded me of an acceptance speech at the Academy Awards.
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He wasn't hired for his law-enforcement skill and certainly not for his looks. And he doesn't seem to have any charisma.

W.D.Clinger said:
Governor Cox came across as a serious statesman. Under difficult circumstances, he performed very well.
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Gov. Cox is always well composed and congenial in front of the cameras, but I've seen him in more candid circumstances where he can give off a lot of loose-canon energy. His politics are terrible, since he got elected as a moderate but then swung hard-right MAGA. But yes, in this particular case he came off sounding cool and professional, even while reciting the lyrics to the Italian revolutionary song, "Bella ciao."

W.D.Clinger said:
Cox said something like "Social media is a cancer on our society." I have to say some of the remarks I've seen in this thread support that statement.
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It's not hard to agree with the general sentiment that social media is becoming a "cancer." But this is also a dog whistle to Utahns who want to heavily restrict children's access to social media and other online activities.

W.D.Clinger said:
Yes, Charlie Kirk was a prolific source of extreme rhetoric, and those who regard his rhetoric as hate speech are not entirely wrong. But he did not deserve to die. Kirk's assassin went beyond rhetoric, beyond hate speech. No one should excuse this murder.
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My attitude remains the same as it was yesterday. I live in a very red state, and I have liberal views that I often say publicly. I associate with liberal causes and liberal public figures here. If we start thinking or saying that unpopular views deserve a bullet, then I might just have a target on my chest too.
 
Olmstead said:
Good job couching your empathy in vitriol and preemptive accusations. In fact, you've done such a good job, I have a hard time finding the empathy. Is that ... no, that's just narcissism. I'll keep looking though.
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What is this replying to?
 
My own historical perspective.

Fifty-five years ago, I took Economics 101 from a man who could have lectured in Cuba, Mainland China and the Soviet Union. His colleague from the University of Chicago, Milton Friedman, could lecture only in the United States of America. He knew full well that a Chinese Friedman, if not already executed, was in prison for life, under house arrest or still lecturing in secret and in fear of being found out by the authorities.

There was no moral dilemma for my professor since there was no moral compass. The State simply overruled the individual. If the Chinese Freidman was apprehended, his character would be questioned by the State and held up for ridicule in front of the rest of the community.

It is interesting, especially after a few Chinese and Russian individuals lost their lives in the 20th Century, that there are those in the West who will do all they can to destroy the lives of their neighbors who do not bow to the State.

Just a thought.
 
Donal said:
Just how well known outside of the terminally online was Charlie Kirk? Because all I see from people praising him are these vague statements about free speech and being a conservative activist. No one seems to pinpoint any specific actions or quotes from him that were insightful or intelligent or beneficial to society. But, there are plenty of examples of him saying some really vile and inflammatory things. There's the list he made of professors and students to target for harassment (and worse).

There was just nothing remarkable about him. He was a younger, louder, stupider Ben Shapiro. He was just another nondescript, mediocre, easily replaceable, shameless white guy with a billionaire sugar daddy. would someone really expect to get famous for shooting him?
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That he was known as an orator or skilled debater but no one will actually quote him continues to be my favorite thing about this whole ◊◊◊◊ show.
 
Lisbeth said:
RIP

It's interesting how this site is not wanting to address this. Had it been a notable liberal activist I'm sure the chattering class here would be talking more about it. Frankly I'm grateful to see there's not as much gloating as I anticipated even though I'm sure it's still there. This was one of the biggest political assassinations in the United States in a long time and it's been covered all across the news and in the White House and Congress but not here because..... reasons.
Once the liberal activist killer is apprehended I'll look forward to the excuse making here and any lack of condemnation in fact I'll expect Maga to be blamed regardless of who the shooter is. James RandI would be embarrassed by this site.
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His deitization is well underway. This site is irrelevant to that process.
 
forget that - the only relevant question is: who is going to inherit his followers and, critically, donors?
Get ready for the far-right influencers to all claim the now empty throne as rightfully theirs.
 
Darat said:
As Kirk said about empathy: "I can't stand the word empathy. Actually, I think empathy is a madeup new age term that is does a lot of damage."

(That is a genuine quote from Charlie Kirk.
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Yeah, I posted a video of him saying it somewhere upstream.
 
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