Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

zooterkin said:
I've been concerned by the number of posts on Facebook by Brits who not only know who Kirk was, but seem to regard him as a hero and, now, martyr. I'd not heard of him before he was shot.

It seems to be partly, though not entirely, a generational thing, with more knowledge among younger people (cf Andrew Tate, I suspect). He seems to be known also among Reform supporters, and is apparently regarded as a decent chap and reasoned debater.
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Yeah, his organization has a UK branch as well. Basically university-based MAGA movement for the UK.
 
Rob Schneider
@RobSchneider
He was our modern day Founding Father, OUR James Madison, OUR Thomas Jefferson, OUR Alexander Hamilton, OUR Benjamin Franklin.
And yes, one day he would have been our President.
I ask all Americans to dig in deep, listen, debate, treat others how YOU would want to be treated, and bring out your inner Charlie Kirk.
God Bless America!
 
I had no idea who he was and intend to find out more. However, I do not expect to find much, since he appears to be one of many people who now make a living being divisive and saying things that court controversy, to make money for themselves.

I wonder how many of those people are going to avoid public appearances and arrange extra security for their homes and workplaces?

Or, will that type of person start to dial down the rhetoric?
 
Nessie said:
I had no idea who he was and intend to find out more. However, I do not expect to find much, since he appears to be one of many people who now make a living being divisive and saying things that court controversy, to make money for themselves.

I wonder how many of those people are going to avoid public appearances and arrange extra security for their homes and workplaces?

Or, will that type of person start to dial down the rhetoric?
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Well that type of person likes to say 'an armed society is a polite society'. And now they know the mechanism behind it.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
Rob Schneider
@RobSchneider
He was our modern day Founding Father, OUR James Madison, OUR Thomas Jefferson, OUR Alexander Hamilton, OUR Benjamin Franklin.
And yes, one day he would have been our President.
I ask all Americans to dig in deep, listen, debate, treat others how YOU would want to be treated, and bring out your inner Charlie Kirk.
God Bless America!
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Who's Rob Schneider?
 
zooterkin said:
I've been concerned by the number of posts on Facebook by Brits who not only know who Kirk was, but seem to regard him as a hero and, now, martyr. I'd not heard of him before he was shot.

It seems to be partly, though not entirely, a generational thing, with more knowledge among younger people (cf Andrew Tate, I suspect). He seems to be known also among Reform supporters, and is apparently regarded as a decent chap and reasoned debater.
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He recently (about three months ago?) appeared at Oxford University, The vide is here


I haven't watched it and don't intend to, but thought I should add the link just to prove I wasn't making it up.
 
Resume said:
Who's Rob Schneider?
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Rob Schneider is an American actor and comedian. He rose to prominence as a cast member on NBC's Saturday Night Live, where he earned three Primetime Emmy Award nominations.
Best known for his starring role as Deuce Bigalow in the Deuce Bigalow films.

He's a big Anti-Vaxxer he endorsed Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in the 2024 U.S. election switched to Trump after RFK pulled out Donald Trump.

At a fundraising event for the Hospitals of Regina Foundation where he told jokes about vaccines, women, and transgender people. He was removed from the stage in the middle of his set by event organizers, who later apologized for his behaviour.
 
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Olmstead said:
Good job couching your empathy in vitriol and preemptive accusations. In fact, you've done such a good job, I have a hard time finding the empathy. Is that ... no, that's just narcissism. I'll keep looking though.
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As Kirk said about empathy: "I can't stand the word empathy. Actually, I think empathy is a madeup new age term that is does a lot of damage."

(That is a genuine quote from Charlie Kirk.)
 
zooterkin said:
I've been concerned by the number of posts on Facebook by Brits who not only know who Kirk was, but seem to regard him as a hero and, now, martyr. I'd not heard of him before he was shot.
It seems to be partly, though not entirely, a generational thing, with more knowledge among younger people (cf Andrew Tate, I suspect). He seems to be known also among Reform supporters, and is apparently regarded as a decent chap and reasoned debater.
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This video about the legacy of Charlie Kirk is pretty good:
Exploring the Legacy Charlie Kirk Actually Left Behind (Dark Brandon on YouTube, Sep 11, 2025 - 18:48 min.)
In this segment we explore Charlie Kirk's legacy, discussing his past statements, conspiracy theories being spread, and how MAGA is reacting.
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Lisbeth said:
RIP

It's interesting how this site is not wanting to address this. Had it been a notable liberal activist I'm sure the chattering class here would be talking more about it. Frankly I'm grateful to see there's not as much gloating as I anticipated even though I'm sure it's still there. This was one of the biggest political assassinations in the United States in a long time and it's been covered all across the news and in the White House and Congress but not here because..... reasons.
Once the liberal activist killer is apprehended I'll look forward to the excuse making here and any lack of condemnation in fact I'll expect Maga to be blamed regardless of who the shooter is. James RandI would be embarrassed by this site.
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Did you start a thread about the Evergreen High School shooting that happened at the same time as Kirk's murder?

coloradosun.com

Evergreen school shooting suspect identified as 16-year-old boy who was “radicalized through an extremist network"

Authorities have identified the boy suspected of shooting two fellow students, before fatally shooting himself at Evergreen High School, as 16-year-old Desmond Holly.
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Ah I forgot school kids being harmed and killed is just the price you are willing to pay for the 2nd amendment, it's not like they were important like Charlie Kirk.
 
Darat said:
I watch a few "rationalist" channels which is where I had come across him, he did not come off as a decent chap nor a reasoned debater to me. Came across as a nasty bigot, small minded and uneducated - or if not uneducated wilfully ignorant..
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Radio 4 played a clip of him "debating" last night.

A favoured tactic seemed to be asking folk to define "woman" without using the term "woman", but when he was asked to define "man", he would say, "You're looking at one!"

That isn't even at 8 year old levels of arguing...
 
Total end -of - twig ,high octane speculation .

The easiest way imaginable to seal the long term fate of the Dumbocrat party would be their involvement in this matter .
So , rule out .

By the same token, it is unlikely to have been organised by the Right just to win sympathy and also deflect from the Epstein saga .
Little gain for huge loss .

Often , loners who have been entrained by MK Ultra and are regarded as long term future CIA hidden assets have their death faked in order for them to exit and then exist off - grid .
But hardly likely with a figure like CK.

Therefore , for a change , this could be an actual looney loner .
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Radio 4 played a clip of him "debating" last night.

A favoured tactic seemed to be asking folk to define "woman" without using the term "woman", but when he was asked to define "man", he would say, "You're looking at one!"

That isn't even at 8 year old levels of arguing...
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Yeah, he should have gone with "adult male human". But nobody's perfect. At least he was on campus talking to people he disagreed with, instead of shooting them.
 
Monica 56 said:
Total end -of - twig ,high octane speculation .

The easiest way imaginable to seal the long term fate of the Dumbocrat party would be their involvement in this matter .
So , rule out .

By the same token, it is unlikely to have been organised by the Right just to win sympathy and also deflect from the Epstein saga .
Little gain for huge loss .

Often , loners who have been entrained by MK Ultra and are regarded as long term future CIA hidden assets have their death faked in order for them to exit and then exist off - grid .
But hardly likely with a figure like CK.

Therefore , for a change , this could be an actual looney loner .
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Just how well known outside of the terminally online was Charlie Kirk? Because all I see from people praising him are these vague statements about free speech and being a conservative activist. No one seems to pinpoint any specific actions or quotes from him that were insightful or intelligent or beneficial to society. But, there are plenty of examples of him saying some really vile and inflammatory things. There's the list he made of professors and students to target for harassment (and worse).

There was just nothing remarkable about him. He was a younger, louder, stupider Ben Shapiro. He was just another nondescript, mediocre, easily replaceable, shameless white guy with a billionaire sugar daddy. would someone really expect to get famous for shooting him?
 
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