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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

1. Rockets as in, you know, space rockets? How spacecraft get into space?

2. Russian space tech was lightyears behind the USA in 1994. Why would the Americans want crappy Russian space tech? Sure, the USSR had at one point been ahead in the space race, (RIP Yuri Gagarin) but that was decades prior.
Well, Johan Hirschfeldt confirms it was smuggling stuff.



Transport of defense equipment

The TV program Kalla fakta stated on November 30, 2004 that defense equipment was smuggled on M / S Estonia on two occasions during September 1994 and that this was done on behalf of the Swedish defense. No responsible authority wanted to comment on the whole thing, but on December 3, the Government instructed the President of the Court of Appeal Johan Hirschfeldt to clarify the facts.



Hirschfeldt submitted his report to the Government on 17 February 2005. Hirschfeldt states that defense equipment was transported to Estonia on two occasions in September 1994. He also writes that there was nothing to indicate that defense equipment was transported on other occasions.{/quote]



IOW he had no choice but to confirm what Customs Officer Lennart Henriksson who witnessed illegal arms smuggling by 'higher forces than the government' to wave them through customs. He was on holiday leave 28.9.1994 which is why Hirschfeldt doesn't confirm it for that date.



Hirschfeldt in an interview 2021 says he now regrets having destroyed all of his materials in this case. He provided interesting information about his "investigation" into the transport of military equipment in Estonia. Göran Persson suddenly limited the investigation directives and omitted KSI, which was probably the body responsible for the transports. IOW KSI was exempt from the investigation and of course being secret services would have classified everything, anyway.


This is a known fact.
 
The 'disappearance' or whatever semantic games you want to play of the two Egyptian gentlemen.

Did the Swedish government deny the Egyptians had ever been in Sweden? Nope.
Did the Swedish government deny they had applied for asylum there? Nope.
Did no lawyer ever represent the men, or never learn they had been hastily and unlawfully deported? Nope.

So that case does not provide you with any support for your crazy story about the impossible rescue and secret unlawful rendition, for no credible reason, of the obviously drowned Estonia officers. It's a stupid spy fantasy that doesn't stand up for multiple reasons.
 
1. Rockets as in, you know, space rockets? How spacecraft get into space?

2. Russian space tech was lightyears behind the USA in 1994. Why would the Americans want crappy Russian space tech? Sure, the USSR had at one point been ahead in the space race, (RIP Yuri Gagarin) but that was decades prior.

Well, Johan Hirschfeldt confirms it was smuggling stuff.

This is a known fact.
This is a perfect example of what people are talking about. You were specifically asked about smuggling of space technology and responded with something that says *nothing* about smuggling space technology. This is why people are asking you facetiously if you're ok, because you appear to be entirely incapable of following a simple flow and ebb of conversation and responding to what people actually said, and remember what you yourself said only a few posts previously.

And your response to this is going to be another example of you being unable to respond to what people are actually saying.
 
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The 'disappearance' or whatever semantic games you want to play of the two Egyptian gentlemen.
These are not "semantic games" but a matter of specifically cited criminal law. While Bollyn certainly does not own the facts pertaining to the case of the Egyptians, he does own the error of calling it an enforced disappearance. And in case there was any ambiguity in what he was saying, he cited to the 1998 Rome Statute to explain just what he meant by "enforced disappearance." As you may be aware, the people who write statues choose their words carefully. What happened to the Egyptians does not fit the elements of the crime of enforced disappearance as given in the statute cited to. And this is why that particular detail doesn't appear in any of the other accounts of the case.

Then you come along and make exactly the same mistake as Bolllyn, claiming the crime of enforced disappearance as defined in the Rome Statute. We know Bollyn was your source because while you could have learned the basic facts anywhere, you copied his errors—details only he specified. Ironically this is one of the ways we're taught to identify leaks in practice of information security. We give certain uniquely identifiable details to each suspected person and see which one ends up "in the wild." You were caught with fairly pedestrian tradecraft, so stop gaslighting and own up to it. Until you start arguing in good faith, amusment is about all a conversation with you is good for.
 
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Ipso facto dives nobody knows about remain unknown. But Bemis - under a German flag - observed tracks indicating activity which 'nobody knows about'.
In a previous post I explained a little about what it takes to plan and execute a commercial saturation diving job, including the 100+ persons onboard the dive support vessel at sea, and the same again (at least) in office support staff. As well as the port records, communications with relevant authorities, the presence of Finnish and Swedish coastguard vessels patrolling the area of the wreck (you said). So all of these people and organisations are complicit in the cover-up are they? Like all good conspiracy theories, the extent of the cover-up just keeps getting wider.
 
F. Gregg Bemis and Jutta Rabe, for one. Then there was the Henrik Evertsson team, not to mention Margus Kurm. Complete with ROV's, divers and visual-audio recording equipment. They all set off from Germany. Evertsson has since been convicted of breaking the peace and Rabe will be arrested if she ever sets foot in Sweden.
Sounds like there should be plenty of evidence for those things. Any chance of a linky? (primary source preferred obvs).
 
Given Meister was head of the JAIC and had access to all of the documents, interviews, classified stuff, confidential stuff, videos and discussions, he can hardly be written off as a conspiracy theorist, no matter how you spin it.
Oh I dunno. If he looks like a conspiracy theorist, sounds like a conspiracy theorist, and quacks like a conspiracy theorist, he's probably a conspiracy theorist.
 
Ipso facto dives nobody knows about remain unknown. But Bemis - under a German flag - observed tracks indicating activity which 'nobody knows about'.
How would the dives be unknown?

How a big a craft do you think would be needed and how many people would be involved in the dive?

You can't just put on a wetsuit and nip down there.
 
Given Meister was head of the JAIC and had access to all of the documents, interviews, classified stuff, confidential stuff, videos and discussions, he can hardly be written off as a conspiracy theorist, no matter how you spin it.
Before you get excited about advocating for Meister you should pay closer attention to his claims. It doesn't matter whether Meister had access to inside information by virtue of his position at JAIC. He said specifically that none of his suspicions came from that information. He said his accusations were based on research he did after leaving JAIC, which ostensibly puts that into the realm of information anyone can access. Further, the nature of the claim precludes your advocacy. If he's trying to tell the world that the Swedes were hiding exculpatory evidence, then the claim is based on what was not known but instead rumored to exist.

You seem to have a chronic inability to understand what a conspiracy theory is, so let me help you. If his theory is that the Swedish contingent to the JAIC conspired to hide exculpatory evidence from the Estonian contingent because they wanted to blame the accident on Estonian incompetence, then that is a conspiracy theory. A person who offers up such a theory is a conspiracy theorist. But that's just a convenient label for what constitutes the real problem—his all-but-admitted bias. People who leave in a huff are generally not good reporters for what went on.
 
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That's what the Simonton Gap is Vixen. It's the inability of someone to be able to communicate effectively with people they are considerably smarter than.
It takes two to communicate, so a Simonton gap also involves the difficulty of communicating effectively with those who are more intelligent.

I am not expressing any opinion regarding who is smarter than whom. I am not even suggesting any inability to communicate we might see within this thread can be attributed to a Simonton gap. I am merely pointing to a logical consequence of any Simonton gap that might be postulated, mainly in hope that Simonton gaps not be postulated when miscommunications can be explained less exotically.
 
You can have pride in your newly independent nation and flagship cruise/ferry and still retain objectivity.

Pride in operating a vessel that can't be called a floating death trap only because it failed to accomplish the "floating" part?

Pride in either demanding a captain in their employ disregard prudent safety measures to keep a schedule, or allowing a captain in their employ to do so on his own whim?

Pride in lax maintenance and careless operation that sent 852 people to their deaths?

Pride in the deadliest peacetime disaster at sea in over a century?

Pride in having ended children's lives in terrifying conditions of darkness, confinement, and icy cold?

No sane moral person should have pride in this.

No sane moral person should be spinning the narrative to preserve someone else's pride in this.
 
How would the dives be unknown?

How a big a craft do you think would be needed and how many people would be involved in the dive?

You can't just put on a wetsuit and nip down there.
Given the Swedish Navy have prime authority over the official dives, and Finland together with Sweden (due to it being in Finnish waters) act as coastguards. All their dives are closely project managed and reported on. It should be very obvious that anyone else's dives are ipso facto 'secret dives'. You don't know what the heck they are doing down there. We know about Rabe, Bemis, Evertsson and Kum because they have publicised it. You nor Axxman are able to state there are no secret dives when theoretically, you can hop on a German boat under a German flag, wave the coastguards away and do your own thing, with no-one being none the wiser.
 

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