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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

To be clear, are you saying that no one who is in a committed faithful relationship (and wants to and is happy to keep it that way) should worry about appearing in a porn film 'cos it's just not real?
First of all I don't impose my expectations on how adults should conduct their relationships, that's entirely up to them. Secondly I've read interviews with actors - non porn actors - that have mentioned that there can be issues in their relationships because of what they have to do with other actors when filming.
 
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This is dishonest and you know it. I'll continue with the concern about children and repeat that I have clearly stated on a number of occasions that it is having a pernicious effect on adults too.

Should we let children act in porn - according to you it is not 'real sex'?
What a totally bizarre short circuit of logic and context.
 
This is dishonest and you know it. I'll continue with the concern about children and repeat that I have clearly stated on a number of occasions that it is having a pernicious effect on adults too.
Please define exactly what this "pernicious" effect actually is. Go into detail, if you can.
 
Anything other than actually arguing for a blanket ban on porn, as the least intrusive, effective way to infringe on the right to free expression.
Anything? Your post is confusing. I pointed how wrong your were with your:
Everyone here already agrees that the state has some responsibility to regulate access to pornography. Everyone here agrees that aged-based restrictions on access make sense. Everyone here already agrees with the principles outlined in the UNCRC.
Everyone agrees with the principles in the UNCRC? - yet you post:
Making it the most ignored, most useless treaty in history.
If everyone agreed with it's principles then everyone would be inclined to implement it. It is far from the appeal to popularity you suggest.
Zeno's Argument in full effect.
I know about Zeno's paradox, but I have no idea what you are referring to.
Don't feel bad, though. Most UN treaties are pretty useless. You should probably stop using them as a basis for your arguments.
We are back to that Mandela quote and whether society does actually prioritise children as he thinks we should.
We see a lot more resistance than just the USA. Why other countries aren't similarly disinclined to sign treaties they're just going to ignore is a topic for another thread.

So your argument from the UNCRC is a dead end.
Pointing out, as you are, that most prioritise easy-access porn does not make this argument dead in any way whatsoever.
Your argument by analogy to slavery is a dead end. What else do you have?
If you had read my argument carefully then you would know that I clearly argued that any law that proscribes something will have interpretational issues with it's definition of what that something is.
 
No, you backed yourself into a corner and can't answer. Porn sex is real. It's why we don't let children take part.
Like I said what a bizzare short circuit of logic and ignoring of context.

Your thinking there could be any circumstances that a child could participate in any part of filming of a porn movie is frightening and frankly disgusts me.
 
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Like I said what a bizzare short circuit of logic and ignoring of context.

Your thinking there could be any circumstances that a child could participate in any part of filming of a porn movie is frightening and frankly disgusts me.
Since I affirm that porn sex is real, then my stance is that no child should ever participate. That would be clear to anyone following the thread.

I'll ask again - is porn sex real or not?
 
I'll ask again - is porn sex real or not?
If by this you are asking whether an actual physical penis penetrates an actual physical vagina, or whatever it is that the actors are playing out in the scene, then on this naïvely simplistic level, yes. But this isn't the gotcha that you think it is.
 
If by this you are asking whether an actual physical penis penetrates an actual physical vagina, or whatever it is that the actors are playing out in the scene, then on this naïvely simplistic level, yes. But this isn't the gotcha that you think it is.
I just asked if it is real sex. There is nothing remotely naïve or simplistic about it. Your comparison with movies was wrong. What are you suggesting - that sexual experimentation that imitates porn doesn't occur? As an example of this, strangulation is now normal, as already cited - in fact, rough sex in general is very normal among the younger generation.

Anyone watching porn knows that, to some degree, one can act out the sex they see on the set. They also know that nobody died (as per the scene in Blade Runner 2049) that I previously cited.
 
Since you keep asking people to answer your questions, when you fell they haven't; plase sir, can I have some links to those who agree with you that all porn should be banned?
Is anything or anyone preventing you from looking this up? A search engine?
 
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Since I affirm that porn sex is real, then my stance is that no child should ever participate. That would be clear to anyone following the thread.

I'll ask again - is porn sex real or not?
And when an actor cries often real tears are being produced, when an actor screams at another actor real spittle is being produced, when an actor hugs an actor they are hugging, when kissing they are kissing. Are you aware most films (porn or not) are a series of scenes that get edited together to look like a singular performance? Actors may film talking about something one day, then the next day film the scene again to get a different angle and so on. Porn films are usually made the same way.

And apparently from what info I've picked up over the years (I've only known one porn performer who was "out" about what he did and that was about 35 years ago and he didn't really talk about it much - he would go across to Amsterdam every few months for a week or two to film a video) artificial ejaculate is often used. Ejaculation shots (in both meanings) may all be done on the first day of filming when the male performers ...er... are at their peak production. And then be edited during post production to appear towards the end of the movie. And like in other non-porn movies many scenes in in which actors are apparently engaging in "real" sex acts may not in fact be "real".

That 30 minute porn movie may have been made over several days, stopping and starting the actors repeatedly to get a better camera angle, to change the lighting, to retake a scene because someone got cramp in their leg, for them to grab a break and have a nice cup of tea, and so on. That is not what I would call real sex. (Albeit stopping to have a break and a nice cup of tea does sound rather appealing these days.)
 
And when an actor cries often real tears are being produced, when an actor screams at another actor real spittle is being produced, when an actor hugs an actor they are hugging, when kissing they are kissing. Are you aware most films (porn or not) are a series of scenes that get edited together to look like a singular performance? Actors may film talking about something one day, then the next day film the scene again to get a different angle and so on. Porn films are usually made the same way.

And apparently from what info I've picked up over the years (I've only known one porn performer who was "out" about what he did and that was about 35 years ago and he didn't really talk about it much - he would go across to Amsterdam every few months for a week or two to film a video) artificial ejaculate is often used. Ejaculation shots (in both meanings) may all be done on the first day of filming when the male performers ...er... are at their peak production. And then be edited during post production to appear towards the end of the movie. And like in other non-porn movies many scenes in in which actors are apparently engaging in "real" sex acts may not in fact be "real".

That 30 minute porn movie may have been made over several days, stopping and starting the actors repeatedly to get a better camera angle, to change the lighting, to retake a scene because someone got cramp in their leg, for them to grab a break and have a nice cup of tea, and so on. That is not what I would call real sex. (Albeit stopping to have a break and a nice cup of tea does sound rather appealing these days.)
Given my recent comments, you are, however, forced to agree that actual physical sex is occurring aren't you?
 
I have to prove your claim? No, that is not how this works, Poem. If you know that others agree with you, it should be easy for you to link to them.
I am content not to prove that I am not the only one who thinks we should ban porn.

You asked me a question and I gave you my view.
 
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I am content not to prove that I am not the only one who thinks we should ban porn.

You asked me a question and I gave you my view.
Then you could have answered yes, it's just you, or, if the others who share that view are your friends and relatives, for instance, you could have said as much. I thought perhaps some of the sources you have often linked to earlier in this thread, or others with professional knowledge (perhaps child psychologists specialised in childhood abuse and trauma) agreed with you, and would have been very interested to read their arguments for such a ban. But it's just your opinion, which is perfectly alright, if not very persuasive.
 
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