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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

If a child were to asks their parent/teacher if multiple men were really simultaneously penetrating a woman in a porn film, then the answer cannot be anything other than 'yes, it is really happening'.

Were 10s if not hundreds killed following K/Joe being shot down whilst seeking the orphanage he used to attend in the film Blade Runner 2049?

No.
 
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Poem said:
I don't see how any of this makes a difference. In general, actors are acting - their crying, screaming and threats aren't real. However, as the prestige posted earlier in the thread....(I am paraphrasing to a degree): in porn, genitals are entering orifices - ejaculate is being ejaculated.
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And when an actor cries often real tears are being produced, when an actor screams at another actor real spittle is being produced, when an actor hugs an actor they are hugging, when kissing they are kissing. Are you aware most films (porn or not) are a series of scenes that get edited together to look like a singular performance? Actors may film talking about something one day, then the next day film the scene again to get a different angle and so on. Porn films are usually made the same way.

And apparently from what info I've picked up over the years (I've only known one porn performer who was "out" about what he did and that was about 35 years ago and he didn't really talk about it much - he would go across to Amsterdam every few months for a week or two to film a video) artificial ejaculate is often used. Ejaculation shots (in both meanings) may all be done on the first day of filming when the male performers ...er... are at their peak production. And then be edited during post production to appear towards the end of the movie. And like in other non-porn movies many scenes in in which actors are apparently engaging in "real" sex acts may not in fact be "real".

That 30 minute porn movie may have been made over several days, stopping and starting the actors repeatedly to get a better camera angle, to change the lighting, to retake a scene because someone got cramp in their leg, for them to grab a break and have a nice cup of tea, and so on. That is not what I would call real sex. (Albeit stopping to have a break and a nice cup of tea does sound rather appealing these days.)
 
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Darat said:
And when an actor cries often real tears are being produced, when an actor screams at another actor real spittle is being produced, when an actor hugs an actor they are hugging, when kissing they are kissing. Are you aware most films (porn or not) are a series of scenes that get edited together to look like a singular performance? Actors may film talking about something one day, then the next day film the scene again to get a different angle and so on. Porn films are usually made the same way.

And apparently from what info I've picked up over the years (I've only known one porn performer who was "out" about what he did and that was about 35 years ago and he didn't really talk about it much - he would go across to Amsterdam every few months for a week or two to film a video) artificial ejaculate is often used. Ejaculation shots (in both meanings) may all be done on the first day of filming when the male performers ...er... are at their peak production. And then be edited during post production to appear towards the end of the movie. And like in other non-porn movies many scenes in in which actors are apparently engaging in "real" sex acts may not in fact be "real".

That 30 minute porn movie may have been made over several days, stopping and starting the actors repeatedly to get a better camera angle, to change the lighting, to retake a scene because someone got cramp in their leg, for them to grab a break and have a nice cup of tea, and so on. That is not what I would call real sex. (Albeit stopping to have a break and a nice cup of tea does sound rather appealing these days.)
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To be clear, are you saying that no one who is in a committed faithful relationship (and wants to and is happy to keep it that way) should worry about appearing in a porn film 'cos it's just not real?
 
Are we really relitigating this? We already did it on like page 31-33.

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Poem said:
Are you talking only about consensual porn?

You are saying it's real on the set but becomes fiction when viewed through a window or TV screen or monitor?
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Okay. Unlike Ziggurat’s simulated halfwittery, your confusion seems genuine. So I’ll take your question at face value, and, even though this so completely obvious, but I’ll still explain this clearly. But I’ll expect clear acknowledgement from you once you do understand. Fair?

So. Think of any movie or any TV show you’ve seen. Let’s just name any one random thing that comes to mind, say Game of Thrones. When you’re...

We even already did "if it's not real then it's fine for your relationship right?"

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Siiiigh. The actions taken as part of a performance are real actions (though what appears to be a real action in the final production may not have been a real action on set); the narrative is fictional and not real.

Ask the same question to actors with spouses, who perform steamy scenes for movies. It's personal; some actors (ie the banana evolution guy iirc) won't even do steamy-adjacent scenes because they feel it's incompatible with their commitment to their spouse. Others have no problem with real kisses and real eye****ing to portray a fictional relationship.

There are people...
 
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Helen said:
Did you see my question, Poem? You see, I very much doubt that the UNCRC has stated that we should ban all porn, but I may well be wrong. A link, please?
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I can't imagine that is part of their remit.
 
Poem said:
You tell us.
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I asked you if you were the only one to suggest a ban on all porn, since UNCRC has not recommended any such thing. You said no. I asked who else thinks a ban would be the solution. "You tell us" is a very strange answer to that question; if I knew, I wouldn't ask you, but I have actually never heard anyone suggest that we ban all porn. I also wonder who "us" refers to.
 
Darat said:
Only disingenuously. The first page of this thread shows you are not; indeed the title of your thread tells us that. You are concerned about porn, regardless of who may have access to it. You keep sending people down your rabbit hole by trying to use your pseudo-concern about children accessing porn, just like you tried to use your initial post about the prevalence of illegal pornography. You have only gone down the "think of the children" route as you think it provides a wedge for your actual aim which is to remove porn from the internet (and everywhere else on earth). It's a been an effective reverse motte-and-bailey for you.

Just be honest and make it clear you want all porn to be removed from the world, regardless of whether children can access it.
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This is dishonest and you know it. I'll continue with the concern about children and repeat that I have clearly stated on a number of occasions that it is having a pernicious effect on adults too.

Should we let children act in porn - according to you it is not 'real sex'?
 
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Helen said:
I asked you if you were the only one to suggest a ban on all porn, since UNCRC has not recommended any such thing. You said no. I asked who else thinks a ban would be the solution. "You tell us" is a very strange answer to that question; if I knew, I wouldn't ask you, but I have actually never heard anyone suggest that we ban all porn. I also wonder who "us" refers to.
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Is anything preventing you from looking it up?
 
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