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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Vixen said:
Well, let's see. It only turned about 12° and this supposedly was enough to cause the gaping hole. And a 'strong wave' knocked off the bow visor at exactly Swedish midnight, in international waters,
and when all the communication systems were down. Not like the Russians to interfere in this way. Von Leyen's plane having its gps blocked recently had nothing to do with the Russians, I am sure. Only a CT-er would believe that!
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No, all communication systems were not down. This has been covered before several times, for example about two years go.
 
Vixen said:
It is not the first mention. It has been a running 'joke' for a long time.
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What is the first mention of a ship not floating on its superstructure, then?

It's a running joke exactly because you dodge around the issue, like so many others, when asked to provide supporting evidence.
 
Vixen said:
The original post is as follows (#1377):

Yes, it is a hazardous and dangerous venture requiring great skill. However, divers did make their way through the interior of the vessel to search for the briefcase belonging to Capt Piht, which was in the room of Voronin, IIRC. So when prosecutors or investigators require evidence, if they have the skilled manpower and specialised equipment, they will employ them.

So you are being less than frank. They did indeed go to what they believed was Piht's cabin.
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No. The recording of the dive supports absolutely no suggestion they were searching for a briefcase, whether Piht's, Voronin's or anyone else's. They searched multiple cabins on deck 6 and Voronin's was only one of them.

The phrase "to search for" is compete speculation which the dive video not only does not support, but their matter-of-fact behaviour and lack of excitement at finding a case says pretty firmly you are wrong.
 
dorricc0 said:
I have worked with Rockwater (they became part of what is now Subsea7) and other commercial diving companies on saturation diving jobs, mainly in the North Sea but their company processes are standard and global. My involvement has been on the client side, defining the overall work scope and outcomes.

For reasons of safety and efficiency, every saturation diving job is thoroughly planned and executed via a series of procedures / task plans which often run to 100+ pages of detailed instructions, drawings, and risk assessments. Especially so when entry to confined spaces is required. A typical diving support vessel has a crew numbering over one hundred (the Rockwater SEMI I involved in the Estonia survey had a capacity of 110 persons) as well as the same again in onshore support staff.

The point being, the idea that the work is being performed at the whim of the diver or dive supervisor, and that there was some sort of cover-up in which all these people were complicit, is frankly bonkers.

Just my 2p-worth.
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Vixen said:
Exactly. The guy wouldn't be going into cabin 6230 unless it was on the agenda in the first place. Plus being made to keep reading the tag until they were sure of the name was part of a preplanned task to find and identify that attaché case. Why? Because Captain Avo Piht was a key personnel. .
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Please don't quote me as if I support your idea of there being a specific task to search for that case/cabin. I have already refuted that (in fact you refuted it yourself with your own video posting!). Nothing in what I posted supports this suggestion.

Yes it was (probably) on the plan to enter and search cabin 6230, and a whole bunch of other cabins that were accessible (port side, as the vessel was lying on her starboard side). As well as various other cabin on other decks. To quote the survey report:
'Dive plans were developed for each deck which indicated the point of entry and the area of that deck which was to be surveyed. The dive plan also contaied a check list which was completed by the Project Engineer in dive control as the work progressed. Due to the conditions on site, the plans were used as a basis only and actual points of entry and areas surveyed varied as a result of safety considerations and accessibility due to debris.'

The survey report states that cabins 6118, 6124, 6130, 6132, 6132, 6134 on E-deck (deck 6) were entered and searched. The survey report includes marked-up drawings of which cabins on each deck were searched (marked in green) and where victims were found (red circles).

The diver 'being made to keep reading the tag' is simply because visibility was poor and it is standard practice to positively identify items, especially where the diver hat camera does not show text clearly. This does not support, in any way, a preplanned task to find and identify that attaché case.
 
Vixen said:
Exactly. The guy wouldn't be going into cabin 6230 unless it was on the agenda in the first place. Plus being made to keep reading the tag until they were sure of the name was part of a preplanned task to find and identify that attaché case. Why? Because Captain Avo Piht was a key personnel. .
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Bull ◊◊◊◊. They searched each cabin they could get into on the corridor. The diver tried to spell out the Russian name because he couldn't read it properly. The supervisor was never sure of the name. He seemed to find a suitable match on some list but clearly had no better grasp of how to read it than the diver did.

Your claim they were sent to find Piht's case is total speculation the evidence contradicts.
 
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