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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Vixen said:
He states it is a fact Bollyn is 'anti-Semitic' because he believes 'Jews caused 9/11'. That is appealing to people's basest emotions. Believing Mossad, say, is behind 9/11, or that because a group of Jewish students were seen celebrating indicates anti-Semitism is utter knee-jerk nonsense. For all you know, Bollyn's views may be founded on well-reasoned and researched information rather than racism. I don't know, but given Bollyn appears to be a Middle East expert and lectures on it, maybe he is actually being impartial and objective in an academic way without bringing 'hate' into it. To add: it's a bonkers view but that doesn't mean it is based on anti-Semitism, per se. Seems to be more anti-Zionism, which is a known controversial issue.
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Pathetic even by your standards.

Chris Bollyn: In His Own Words
Yesterday, Christopher Bollyn was a writer at the American Free Press, a publication designated as hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center for their positions on white supremacy.

Today, on his own site, he authors articles charging Jews and secret “Crypto Jews” as secret “cabals” behind everything from Italian American mob groups, the Kennedy assassination, and the 9/11 attacks. In fact, the single front page of his website lists the word Jew 226 times.
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Solving 911 — The Deception that Changed the World is a book available on his website.

In page 23 of that book, he describes how “three Jewish members” manipulated the eyewitness accounts of the attacks.

Page 37 describes a Hollywood dominated by Jews who control America’s worldview.

Page 40 reads, “Deception comes naturally to Judith Miller. She is the daughter of William Miller, a Jew from Pinsk, Russia.”

128 describes “the Jewish-controlled media, a distinctly foreign and anti-Christian culture of pornography, perversion, and violence…” force-feeding an unsuspecting American public, and the “traditional Christian values” he grew up with.

I stopped reading at the next page, which uses quotes to refer to the holocaust — denying its existence.
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Linky.

I anticipate the next Vixen deflection will be her claiming to not care what his views are on anything else.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
But the part you cling to is not the audio itself, it's some commenter's belief they were specifically searching for Voronin's brief case. Just confirmation bias. If they were searching for it, they would know what his name was. They obviously did not, because they made such a hash of reading the Russian script. And they would then have made a point of bringing the case up immediately as the mission was accomplished. Right?

No, this is not evidence they were searching for that brief case.
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Well no, it may have been classified on a 'need to know' basis. The expert diver going into the cabin may not even be aware there was anything special about that cabin or that attaché case. The way the supervisor keeps asking him to reread the name and spell it out that in the end the diver cries out there is too much sediment to see it properly. It is clear he was trying very hard to read it as commanded. The supervisor doesn't say whether it is good or bad that he found it but the dive finishes right there, fait accompli, as far as the supervisor is concerned, whilst the diver wants to carry on searching.
 
Vixen said:
The comparison was mine. MarkCorrigan wants us to believe Bollyn is just a racist. I don't know anything about the guy but what I read in his 9/11 book made me wonder if he was Arabic, using a 'western' pseudonym because his pro-Palestine passion, and scepticism and sense of grievance towards the US in their support of Israel was learned and well-researched, historically and politically, in an academic way. IMV we can disagree with such views but I don't agree it is the same as common or garden anti-Semiticism, and therefore worthless.
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Interesting that you're claiming to have read his book, yet missed the Holocaust denial, constant references to Jews in a negative light and the reference to a Jewish controlled media.
 
Vixen said:
Well no, it may have been classified on a 'need to know' basis. The expert diver going into the cabin may not even be aware there was anything special about that cabin or that attaché case. The way the supervisor keeps asking him to reread the name and spell it out that in the end the diver cries out there is too much sediment to see it properly. It is clear he was trying very hard to read it as commanded. The supervisor doesn't say whether it is good or bad that he found it but the dive finishes right there, fait accompli, as far as the supervisor is concerned, whilst the diver wants to carry on searching.
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More unevidenced conspiratorial gibberish. Even the Roger Moore era Bond would consider your ideas on how the intelligence services work to be ridiculous and outlandish and he went into space and had a laser gun battle.
 
dorricc0 said:
I must admit I'm relatively recent to this discussion and I haven't read through all of the preceding 2108 posts in this thread nor the preceding 6 iterations / ~500+ pages. So it's a little awkward when Vixen says, 'this has already been covered'. I guess what would be really helpful at this stage would be an executive summary covering a few bullet points of what is being claimed. You know, along the lines of:
- a briefcase was found, and therefore this implies...
- the radio transmissions were poor/late, and therefore this implies...
- some people survived and others didn't, therefore...
- the bow ramp door and visor were recovered, and damage found to be consistent with...

So how about it, @Vixen ? Could you do that for the benefit of us all here trying to follow your train of thought? It's great that you are passionate about the subject and it would be much better use of your time to put together a wee summary (rather than respond to details like Bollyn's political views or Trump's BMI).

Thanks in advance.
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How long have you got?
 
Vixen said:
Well no, it may have been classified on a 'need to know' basis. The expert diver going into the cabin may not even be aware there was anything special about that cabin or that attaché case. The way the supervisor keeps asking him to reread the name and spell it out that in the end the diver cries out there is too much sediment to see it properly. It is clear he was trying very hard to read it as commanded. The supervisor doesn't say whether it is good or bad that he found it but the dive finishes right there, fait accompli, as far as the supervisor is concerned, whilst the diver wants to carry on searching.
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Fantastical nonsense. It's as if you watched an entirely different video. That's total crap.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
But the part you cling to is not the audio itself, it's some commenter's belief they were specifically searching for Voronin's brief case. Just confirmation bias. If they were searching for it, they would know what his name was. They obviously did not, because they made such a hash of reading the Russian script. And they would then have made a point of bringing the case up immediately as the mission was accomplished. Right?

No, this is not evidence they were searching for that brief case.
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How do you know they didn't bring the case up? Just not that diver. If you go back to the original link giving the full transcript, you'll see it is not just cherry picking the cabin 6320 one.
 
Vixen said:
How do you know they didn't bring the case up? Just not that diver. If you go back to the original link giving the full transcript, you'll see it is not just cherry picking the cabin 6320 one.
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What are you talking about?
 
Mojo said:
You were supposed to be citing the "information provided by the Helsinki police" that your second-hand newspaper report was relying on. But if that's beyond you, how about citing the reports from "Swedish and Danish newspapers" that the Helsingin Sanomat relied on? Perhaps they cite the police sources.
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Sadly, their newspapers are dreadfully maintained, can't find historic stuff at all, half the time it's behind a paywall and full of popping up adverts. I'll decline, thanks.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Pathetic even by your standards.




Linky.

I anticipate the next Vixen deflection will be her claiming to not care what his views are on anything else.
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I don't read that type of stuff. It just confirms for me that he has a pro-Islamist agenda, is a pseudo-character (fake name/ fake personna) or that he is a professional conspiracy theorist, like David Icke, simply making money out of it.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Interesting that you're claiming to have read his book, yet missed the Holocaust denial, constant references to Jews in a negative light and the reference to a Jewish controlled media.
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Well I barely got half way through it when I was overcome by boredom. Let me know the page numbers and I'll recheck if I missed those references.
 
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Vixen said:
I don't read that type of stuff. It just confirms for me that he has a pro-Islamist agenda, is a pseudo-character (fake name/ fake personna) or that he is a professional conspiracy theorist, like David Icke, simply making money out of it.
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Please remind me: are you currently trying to discredit him or relying on him as a source?
 
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