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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

dirtywick said:
yeah it's pretty tough to define porn
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It's tough defining a lot of things with regard to the law. The Modern Slavery Act has run into problems but the UK government still went ahead:

"...you have one government body finding that a young person has been trafficked, while another insists that they are a perpetrator who should face the full force of the law."
 
Difficulties in defining 'porn' is not a valid reason for not banning it.
 
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theprestige said:
On the other hand, freedom of expression being a human right is a valid reason for not banning it. Why not address that?
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What you mean is porn is now protected under free speech.

Children have a human right to access the net without being harmed by porn. The world signed up and ratified but didn't deliver...therefore easy access porn is more important.

I've been saying that for a while....you know: no keener revelation of a society's soul than the way in which it treats it's children.
 
Poem said:
Children have a human right to access the net without being harmed by porn. The world signed up and ratified but didn't deliver...therefore easy access porn is more important.

I've been saying that for a while....you know: no keener revelation of a society's soul than the way in which it treats it's children.
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that’s a wild logical leap

i think you’ve identified a problem, came up with an unrealistic solution, and you’re conflating criticism of your bad solution to denial of the existence of the problem to help bolster your argument.
 
Poem said:
If you want me to understand you'll have to clarify.
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i agree that children exposed to porn at a young age isn’t healthy. problem identified.

i don’t think a porn ban would be effective because it isn’t realistic and there are better choices to keep kids safe that also allow porn to exist in its own adult space on the internet as it’s a valid form of free expression. criticism of your position.

now you’ll say i’m a pervert that puts access to porn above kids safety?
 
Poem said:
What you mean is porn is now protected under free speech.
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As it should be, in my opinion.
Poem said:
Children have a human right to access the net without being harmed by porn.
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Yes, and rights often come into conflict with each other. The solution is to find some balance or compromise between the two rights, not just delete one of them.

Poem said:
The world signed up and ratified but didn't deliver...therefore easy access porn is more important.
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That's a pretty weak argument for a ban. Assuming it even is an argument, and not just more empty rhetoric.

Poem said:
I've been saying that for a while....you know: no keener revelation of a society's soul than the way in which it treats it's children.
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And this really is just more empty rhetoric.

In your argument by analogy to slavery, you concede that a ban on porn would not be very effective. Because freedom of expression is a human right, an ineffective ban is a serious problem. It criminalizes some forms of speech, without significant benefits in return.

A ban is also the most maximally intrusive response, which is another problem, when it comes to infringing on human rights.
 
dirtywick said:
i agree that children exposed to porn at a young age isn’t healthy. problem identified.

i don’t think a porn ban would be effective because it isn’t realistic and there are better choices to keep kids safe that also allow porn to exist in its own adult space on the internet as it’s a valid form of free expression. criticism of your position.

now you’ll say i’m a pervert that puts access to porn above kids safety?
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I cited the UNCRC and that countries are legally bound by it. That porn and social media has been allowed to just do their thing is a de facto 'revelation' that porn has been put first. I didn't call any individual a pervert.

There is nothing wrong with stating the facts.
 
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