• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

I said it was an on-line calculation. You don't think I calculated it myself..?
What part of the post this is ostensibly replying to do you think this answers?

It was gibberish Vixen and not only did you not realise it was gibberish and posted it proudly assuming it answered your critics, but you then doubled down on the gibberish and threw a hissy fit about it.
 
I said it was an on-line calculation. You don't think I calculated it myself..?
It was quite obviously an AI-generated answer to a poorly-worded prompt asking how to solve the problem.

You say it's an "online calculator," and you say you "forgot" which one you used. But you also now lately claim that any other such "online calculator" would give the same answer given the same parameters. So link is to any one of these calculators, regardless of whether it was the one you used.
 
Last edited:
Remind me: When the ship is sinking, are off-duty crew expected to roll over and go back to sleep?
The ship's crew have a protocol of helping passengers first and foremost. The senior crew were well-provided for safety-wise, given Voronin, clinically obese and with advanced health problems, and his family, together with a former sea captain aged circa 74, and his wife, all managed to get on the nearby lifeboats safely and survive. They were in the exact same accommodation quarters as the ship's senior crew, the Chief Engineer, the Ship's Doctor, etcetera, who, after their relatives were informed they had survived (as one would expect in their privileged location and knowledge of ship safety) were later told they were missing and their bodies not recovered. Yet the unfit, the frail and the elderly in the neighbouring cabins somehow had no problem. So, yes, the engineers as I recall were busily pumping out water from the engine room, not racing to help out the bridge, who had their own duties to do.
 
Last edited:
Then all you had to do was state where it erred.
As you were told at the time: your AI's formula (supposedly giving you some worthwhile indication of the magnitude of the ship's impact with the seabed) did not include any parameters for the ship at all.

It only used the typical density of seawater, the acceleration due to gravity, the depth of the sea and an arbitrarily selected area of seabed. It didn't even include the mass of the ship, which you had told it.
 
Why does it need to be an online presence? He's a well known anti-semite.

Here is a link to a piece by someone who met him in person.
He's not so much anti-semite but IMV a Middle Eastern gentleman, probably, whose real name is a recognisably Arabic one, who feels strongly about the State of Israel politically, hence his anti-USA stance. As I can find zero mention of Christopher Bollyn outside of his anti-US proselytising I feel sure that is not his real name, given he claims to be some kind of an academic. He is of course free to hold whatever political opinion he likes but what is important here is being aware he has a political agenda and thus should be looked at from that perspective.
 
I said it was an on-line calculation. You don't think I calculated it myself..?
Nobody thought you calculated it yourself.

But then, as I clearly said after you doubled down, I wasn't criticising you for not being able to solve the problem mathematically by yourself. I was criticising your pretence that you might be able, when it was very clear you barely understood even the question you were merely playing at being able to solve.
 
Just you wait- they won't do a thing about increasing security on ships until they drive one into a skyscraper and it collapses (in its own footprint at freefall speeds)- you just mark my words.....

You know when a skyscraper collapses into it's own footprint it does so at a pressure of 1 atm. (on average)
 
He's not so much anti-semite but IMV a Middle Eastern gentleman, probably, whose real name is a recognisably Arabic one, who feels strongly about the State of Israel politically, hence his anti-USA stance. As I can find zero mention of Christopher Bollyn outside of his anti-US proselytising I feel sure that is not his real name, given he claims to be some kind of an academic. He is of course free to hold whatever political opinion he likes but what is important here is being aware he has a political agenda and thus should be looked at from that perspective.
You would be wrong, of course.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Christopher_Bollyn
 
And you take wikispooks at face value, do you?


Could all be made up for all you know.
 
The ship's crew have a protocol of helping passengers first and foremost. The senior crew were well-provided for safety-wise, given Voronin, clinically obese and with advanced health problems, and his family, together with a former sea captain aged circa 74, and his wife, all managed to get on the nearby lifeboats safely and survive. They were in the exact same accommodation quarters as the ship's senior crew, the Chief Engineer, the Ship's Doctor, etcetera, who, after their relatives were informed they had survived (as one would expect in their privileged location and knowledge of ship safety) were later told they were missing and their bodies not recovered. Yet the unfit, the frail and the elderly in the neighbouring cabins somehow had no problem. So, yes, the engineers as I recall were busily pumping out water from the engine room, not racing to help out the bridge, who had their own duties to do.
As already posted, in a storm at night extra crew would be posted as lookouts.
When the ship was sinking, the crew detailed to help the passengers would be helping the passengers. That would not be the entire crew.
As for the engine room, after the power failed all the engine room crew could do was abandon ship.

Once the engines stopped it was doomed and not just because the pumps stopped but because it couldn't be steered.

Do you think the engineering crew wouldn't send someone to the bridge to report?

Do you think the crew organising the evacuation wouldn't be reporting to the bridge?

You know nothing about how a ship is run or the duties of the crew.
 
And you take wikispooks at face value, do you?


Could all be made up for all you know.
I'll take them over your totally made up ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ about him. We know for a fact that your information is made up.
 

Back
Top Bottom