smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
FFS Mr Cheney, get over yourself!!
Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Well then, you haven't been keeping up with reality.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Sorry, I must have missed the parts about those 1990s transgender people demanding access to rape crisis centres, women's refuges, women's wards in hospitals... insisting on their pronouns, engaging in letter writing campaigns with threats, threats of violence and death.
Perhaps you could post that article again with ALL of these bits highlighted! ... and good luck with that.
...and before you again, falsely accuse me of moving the goalposts, I will point out that these things have ALWAYS been my concern. This is clear in my record here and these concerns appear again and again in all of my posts. The goalposts are right where they have always been. The biggest problem is that you, and @Thermal and others never address these issues properly. (NOTE: Handwaving them away, dismissing them, and pretending they are not real issue is not addressing them)
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angrysoba
Philosophile
Do you admit you lied Mr Van Dyke?
angrysoba
Philosophile
Greer complains about men insisting on being called women, does she not? Complains that they wanted access to the toilet and that she certainly felt threatened by one of them turning up at her hotel. Did you not read that?
Yet these are things you claimed NEVER HAPPENED before.
I think Greer's complaints are pretty much identical to yours. So it seems to me that the days in which you claim to want to return to NEVER HAPPENED. At least not in the 90s.
Please remember your Membership Agreement, and keep to the topic and be civil.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Thermal
August Member
No one was talking about those bits. You seem.to be having a parallel conversation going on with... someone the rest of us don't hear?
But not other people's, so yeah, definitionally taking the goal posts for a walk.
We've all addressed them. They are usually not relevant to the discussion at hand. For example, in the current discussion.
What you fail to understand is that it isn't transpeople that changed. Disenfranchised and overlooked members of society are broadly standing up for themselves much more, from the #metoo movement to George Floyd protests and beyond, and their protesting is taking loud forms that it hadn't before.
Fun fact (unlike your made-up facts): about half of transpeople are under 25. it's actually the younger generation's indignation that you are taking issue with, not transpeople. "Get off my lawn!" I guess you were happier when those tranny freaks were quiet and knew their place, huh? No, wait... I don't have to guess. You said so quite plainly.
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Rolfe
Adult human female
This is interesting.
Suspended Labour MSP charged over claims he hid camera in Holyrood toilet
Colin Smyth has had his Holyrood pass deactivated after being charged over a hidden camera allegedly found in a Parliament toilet.www.heraldscotland.com
An MSP who was known to be under investigation for some sort of sexual offence has been charged with possession of indecent images, apparently gained from a camera hidden in a toilet in the Scottish parliament building. This is exactly the sort of thing women fear when only unisex or mixed sex toilets are provided. Maybe the toilet is single-user with handwashing etc. all behind a single lockable door, but if men are also using the facility then they have the opportunity to plant such cameras. And we all know the results get uploaded to PornHub, there's a special category.
Back in the immediate aftermath of the FWS judgment the Scottish parliament was one of the first bodies to issue updated guidance forbidding males from entering the women's toilets, regardless of "gender identity", despite the Scottish government procrastinating even now over issuing such guidance. There was the predictable outcry, of course, despite the provision of very adequate unisex facilities as well. I now wonder whether those in charge of the parliamentary estate were aware of what had been going on and what charges were pending, and that was why they acted so promptly.
Which toilet was involved has not been revealed, or whether it was unisex or whether he had brazenly walked into the women's toilet, knowing that nobody would challenge him anyway, in that ultra-woke environment. Regardless, this is always a very real danger when men are permitted to use the same facilities as women, even if not at the same time. If women in the very parliament building are not safe from this activity, if actual elected members of parliament are not above such behaviour, then nobody and nowhere is safe.
It now transpires that the victims of the hidden camera (the ones we know about anyway) were all men, including MSPs, parliamentary staff and at least one visiting journalist. The toilet in question was a small two-cubicle facility not open to the visiting public.
Five MSPs were 'secretly filmed by camera hidden in Holyrood toilets'
At least five male MSPs have been contacted by police as potential victims of an alleged secret camera in a Holyrood toilet, it has been reported.
That solves the puzzle of how a normally male-presenting MSP might have got into the Ladies - he didn't, apparently. This is the first time I have come across a man bugging a male toilet, I don't know if it's something that's commonly reported at all. Usually it's men bugging women's toilets, and let's not make that any easier for them than it has to be, please.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Goes to show that men can do this with impunity until they get caught, by which time its too late and the damage is done. If we allow men to enter women's toilets as of right, they will be able to do this with impunity as well... and as we already know for a fact, transgender identified males are many times more likely to be sexual offenders and sexual predators than non-transgender males.It now transpires that the victims of the hidden camera (the ones we know about anyway) were all men, including MSPs, parliamentary staff and at least one visiting journalist. The toilet in question was a small two-cubicle facility not open to the visiting public.
Five MSPs were 'secretly filmed by camera hidden in Holyrood toilets'
At least five male MSPs have been contacted by police as potential victims of an alleged secret camera in a Holyrood toilet, it has been reported.www.dailymail.co.uk
That solves the puzzle of how a normally male-presenting MSP might have got into the Ladies - he didn't, apparently. This is the first time I have come across a man bugging a male toilet, I don't know if it's something that's commonly reported at all. Usually it's men bugging women's toilets, and let's not make that any easier for them than it has to be, please.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Just as you say. I know I'm going to get stick for this but sometimes it's just refreshing when someone doesn't hold back and tells it like it is.
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smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
I'm sure the usual suspects will again accuse you of cherry picking @Rolfe , but I'm equally sure that you're only picking the red ones
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Rolfe
Adult human female
How many cherries do you need before you realise there's a whole orchard out there?
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Indeed!
Rolfe
Adult human female
Another reason why men might pretend to be women is to be able to win sports titles even though they're pretty mediocre as men. However, I'm not persuaded that in practice men who do not have AGP actually do this. Another is to be treated more leniently by the criminal justice system. If a custodial sentence is imposed then to get into a women's prison, but I've also seen several cases where judges have avoided imposing custodial sentences at all either because they're overcome with sympathy for the poor tortured soul, or because they want to avoid the inevitable fuss about what prison the creep should go to. Again, I'm not sure whether many, or indeed any, non-AGP men do this. I have suspicions about Adam Bryson and that guy in England who was always having to be told to put his wig on by the prison staff, but I don't know. I think non-AGP men are repelled by the whole idea of cross-dressing and in particular by AGP, and aren't inclined to fake it even for advantage.
I think this may be why some men refuse to admit that AGP exists at all. They'd much rather imagine the poor tortured soul who has been born into the wrong body than the grossly sexualised and perverted reality.
I think this may be why some men refuse to admit that AGP exists at all. They'd much rather imagine the poor tortured soul who has been born into the wrong body than the grossly sexualised and perverted reality.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
I think the problem continues to be comparing these predators to the total population of men, rather than comparing them to the population of men demanding unopposed access to women's restrooms.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Could be. I'd say it's about 75% of men demanding access to women's bathrooms, at least.
One thing I think many trans allies don't realise is that these men are consummate actors. They know their lines. They know all the things to say about how hurt they are by being deadnamed, how crippling their "dysphoria" is, how they just want to blend in and be one of the girls. It fools people. In particular it fools other men, normal men who have no idea of the thought processes of the AGP. My lovely trans friend Deirdre who wouldn't hurt a fly is probably real to them, because that's the face "Deirdre" puts on when he's interacting with them.
They're very different when they're yelling over a Let Women Speak event, or screaming "It's Ma'am" at a hapless shop assistant, or demanding a bra fitting in M&S, or masturbating in the women's bathroom to the sound of a woman peeing in the next cubicle.
Even the apparently nicer ones naturally don't want to talk about their fetish. They're not going to tell friends that they get an enormous rush of arousal by dressing as a woman, or by using female facilities, or by being accepted by a woman or women as "one of them", or when they perceive that a woman is uncomfortable with their presence in a single-sex facility. Of course they aren't going to come out with all that. They're going to talk about having a female brain and just wanting to be left alone to get on with their lives. It's the exhibitionist ones that have given the game away.
One thing I think many trans allies don't realise is that these men are consummate actors. They know their lines. They know all the things to say about how hurt they are by being deadnamed, how crippling their "dysphoria" is, how they just want to blend in and be one of the girls. It fools people. In particular it fools other men, normal men who have no idea of the thought processes of the AGP. My lovely trans friend Deirdre who wouldn't hurt a fly is probably real to them, because that's the face "Deirdre" puts on when he's interacting with them.
They're very different when they're yelling over a Let Women Speak event, or screaming "It's Ma'am" at a hapless shop assistant, or demanding a bra fitting in M&S, or masturbating in the women's bathroom to the sound of a woman peeing in the next cubicle.
Even the apparently nicer ones naturally don't want to talk about their fetish. They're not going to tell friends that they get an enormous rush of arousal by dressing as a woman, or by using female facilities, or by being accepted by a woman or women as "one of them", or when they perceive that a woman is uncomfortable with their presence in a single-sex facility. Of course they aren't going to come out with all that. They're going to talk about having a female brain and just wanting to be left alone to get on with their lives. It's the exhibitionist ones that have given the game away.
Ziggurat
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I haven't been spending much time in this thread over the past week, but I don't see any mention of Robin Westman, the transgender killer in the Annunciation Catholic Church shooting. Now, I'm not going to try to argue that Westman did this shooting because he was trans, or that his trans treatment led to this shooting. But I *will* say that we know that trans people tend to have a lot of psychological co-morbidities, and Westman sure as ◊◊◊◊ had some serious psychological problems other than being transgender. And frequently, those co-morbidities aren't properly treated, with the transition treatment being viewed as the solution to their problems. That priority is backwards. The co-morbidities should always be treated first, and gender transition offered only AFTER those co-morbidities are properly managed. But there is very little discussion from the pro-trans side about the need to treat the other issues that trans people so often have. And that neglect doesn't do them any good.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Of course there isn't, because discussing such issues runs counter to the dogma of the Holy Cult of Transgender Ideology - it would effectively be an admission that transgenderism is in fact a mental illness and is not caused by the fiction they have created about people being born in the wrong body.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Careful Rolfe. The usual suspects will accuse you of cherry picking soon (even though the tree is overburdenened with
What else is there to say at this point beyond, O God not another one!
Rolfe
Adult human female
I'm just posting this to fry Polka's brain.