theprestige
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I figured. I also thought it could work either way, and decided to try it the other way.
Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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Ivor the Engineer
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Many of the men in this thread will have been sexually mutilated as children. Other than some of them being a bit right-wing on certain issues it hasn't done them too much harm.
Rolfe
Adult human female
That's a whole other debate, and there are threads here where it may be conducted. My personal opinion is that sexual mutilation of children does a great deal of harm and should never be tolerated.
ETA: other than in exceptional cases where it is absolutely necessary for the immediate health of the child, before the usual suspects start googling for such cases.
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Rolfe
Adult human female
Are there really so many school shootings in America, or alternatively are there really so many trans-identifying men in America, that these figures are proportionate?
d4m10n
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They were asked whether or not to overturn Judge Settle's order blocking the DoD from implementing the policy on 14th Amendment Equal Protection grounds:
Unlike the 9th Circuit Court, the Supreme Court chose to let the policy go ahead, which I consider a strong indicator of how the case will ultimately turn out, that is, 6-3 against the transgender plaintiffs who are hoping to see the logic of Bostock extended to military service.
Rolfe
Adult human female
We seem to be in to quadruple negatives territory there.
The trans propensity for violence is alarming. (Thread.)
The trans propensity for violence is alarming. (Thread.)
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smartcooky
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Are you talking about Jewish men being circumcised. If so, and if you think it does no harm, I suggest you ought to listen to Christopher Hitchens on that topic. It is a disgusting and disgraceful act...I am not at all surprised to see that it is only called for by the religious.
smartcooky
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Careful Rolfe. The usual suspects will accuse you of cherry picking soon (even though the tree is overburdenened with
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theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
This is a remarkably anti-science, pro-ignorance approach to the question of trans affirming medicine for minors. Why are you advancing such an obviously ignorant position? Is it intentional? Or do you really not know that you don't know what you're talking about?
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Meanwhile, Univerisity of Michigan have announced will no longer use puberty blockers in treating gender dysphoria in minors.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Careful Rolfe. The usual suspects will accuse you of cherry picking soon (even though the tree is overburdenened with
We'll never get actual stats on the percentage of trans-identifying people who commit serious crimes compared to the percentage of non-trans-identifying people who do the same. When we present proxy figures, for example from prison statistics, they're handwaved away on spurious grounds.
But the sheer volume of reports of trans-identifying people, almost always men (but not invariably, testosterone is a really dangerous drug when given to women), committing violent sex attacks, murder and so on is very hard to ignore.
But hey, "Arm The Dolls!"
Rolfe
Adult human female
It appears that as many as 50% of non-Jewish non-Moslem boys in America are circumcised in infancy as some sort of fashion statement. Maternity hospitals do it routinely, and some parents report having to fight to prevent it being done to their sons. There's a lot of rationalisation about hygeine reasons, and "I don't want him to look different from his dad" and looking like the other boys in the school changing rooms and so on. The debate can get very heated, and it has been conducted in several threads on the forum in the past.
Some men are almost aggressively defensive about what was done to them, declaring that they'd be stinky-poos if left intact, and they're just fine about it, others mourn the loss of a natural and essential body part. I've also read interesting accounts from women about the difference in sexual experience between intact and circumcised men.
The enthusiasm for doing this procedure among doctors and other medical personnel, when there is no religious requirement at all, is quite startling. It may be the same sort of enthusiasm for interfering, a God-complex even, that we see in doctors promoting "gender-affirming" surgery.
d4m10n
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I'd go so far as to suggest that the systemic reluctance to dial back that procedure in the U.S. is rooted in the same psychological mechanisms as the reluctance to admit that gender-affirming care lacks a strong evidence base—medical professionals find it painful to admit that they may have done more harm than good, especially when we're talking about irreversible procedures affecting anything as important as sexual function.
On a related note, at the intersection of botched circumcision and gender identity you will find the John/Joan case, an absolutely tragic story about what happens when you trust psychological blank slatists to provide advice on psychosexual development. The Tennessee State ban on youth gender medicine at § 68-33-101 even takes the trouble to condemn John Money by name, which strikes me as incredibly odd for a statute (as opposed to a joint resolution).
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Rolfe
Adult human female
That was Bruce/Brenda/David Reimer, wasn't it?
d4m10n
Penultimate Amazing
Yes; the case was widely known by their protective pseudonyms in the literature for several decades.
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Rolfe
Adult human female
Never came across that.
Rolfe
Adult human female
This is interesting.
www.heraldscotland.com
An MSP who was known to be under investigation for some sort of sexual offence has been charged with possession of indecent images, apparently gained from a camera hidden in a toilet in the Scottish parliament building. This is exactly the sort of thing women fear when only unisex or mixed sex toilets are provided. Maybe the toilet is single-user with handwashing etc. all behind a single lockable door, but if men are also using the facility then they have the opportunity to plant such cameras. And we all know the results get uploaded to PornHub, there's a special category.
Back in the immediate aftermath of the FWS judgment the Scottish parliament was one of the first bodies to issue updated guidance forbidding males from entering the women's toilets, regardless of "gender identity", despite the Scottish government procrastinating even now over issuing such guidance. There was the predictable outcry, of course, despite the provision of very adequate unisex facilities as well. I now wonder whether those in charge of the parliamentary estate were aware of what had been going on and what charges were pending, and that was why they acted so promptly.
Which toilet was involved has not been revealed, or whether it was unisex or whether he had brazenly walked into the women's toilet, knowing that nobody would challenge him anyway, in that ultra-woke environment. Regardless, this is always a very real danger when men are permitted to use the same facilities as women, even if not at the same time. If women in the very parliament building are not safe from this activity, if actual elected members of parliament are not above such behaviour, then nobody and nowhere is safe.
Suspended Labour MSP charged over claims he hid camera in Holyrood toilet
Colin Smyth has had his Holyrood pass deactivated after being charged over a hidden camera allegedly found in a Parliament toilet.
www.heraldscotland.com
An MSP who was known to be under investigation for some sort of sexual offence has been charged with possession of indecent images, apparently gained from a camera hidden in a toilet in the Scottish parliament building. This is exactly the sort of thing women fear when only unisex or mixed sex toilets are provided. Maybe the toilet is single-user with handwashing etc. all behind a single lockable door, but if men are also using the facility then they have the opportunity to plant such cameras. And we all know the results get uploaded to PornHub, there's a special category.
Back in the immediate aftermath of the FWS judgment the Scottish parliament was one of the first bodies to issue updated guidance forbidding males from entering the women's toilets, regardless of "gender identity", despite the Scottish government procrastinating even now over issuing such guidance. There was the predictable outcry, of course, despite the provision of very adequate unisex facilities as well. I now wonder whether those in charge of the parliamentary estate were aware of what had been going on and what charges were pending, and that was why they acted so promptly.
Which toilet was involved has not been revealed, or whether it was unisex or whether he had brazenly walked into the women's toilet, knowing that nobody would challenge him anyway, in that ultra-woke environment. Regardless, this is always a very real danger when men are permitted to use the same facilities as women, even if not at the same time. If women in the very parliament building are not safe from this activity, if actual elected members of parliament are not above such behaviour, then nobody and nowhere is safe.
smartcooky
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If a Member of Parliament is able exhibit such douchebag behaviour with impunity, in an area where opportunities to do so are limited due to the significant presence of civilian security personnel and police officers, then its potentially open season on women in public facilities where there aren't many people watching egress and entry.This is interesting.
Suspended Labour MSP charged over claims he hid camera in Holyrood toilet
Colin Smyth has had his Holyrood pass deactivated after being charged over a hidden camera allegedly found in a Parliament toilet.
An MSP who was known to be under investigation for some sort of sexual offence has been charged with possession of indecent images, apparently gained from a camera hidden in a toilet in the Scottish parliament building. This is exactly the sort of thing women fear when only unisex or mixed sex toilets are provided. Maybe the toilet is single-user with handwashing etc. all behind a single lockable door, but if men are also using the facility then they have the opportunity to plant such cameras. And we all know the results get uploaded to PornHub, there's a special category.
Back in the immediate aftermath of the FWS judgment the Scottish parliament was one of the first bodies to issue updated guidance forbidding males from entering the women's toilets, regardless of "gender identity", despite the Scottish government procrastinating even now over issuing such guidance. There was the predictable outcry, of course, despite the provision of very adequate unisex facilities as well. I now wonder whether those in charge of the parliamentary estate were aware of what had been going on and what charges were pending, and that was why they acted so promptly.
Which toilet was involved has not been revealed, or whether it was unisex or whether he had brazenly walked into the women's toilet, knowing that nobody would challenge him anyway, in that ultra-woke environment. Regardless, this is always a very real danger when men are permitted to use the same facilities as women, even if not at the same time. If women in the very parliament building are not safe from this activity, if actual elected members of parliament are not above such behaviour, then nobody and nowhere is safe.
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Rolfe
Adult human female
Can we please link back to this every time some entitled man (or indeed oblivious transmaiden) tells us that the wholesale conversion of the entirety of the world's toilet provisions to single-occupancy cubicles for use by both sexes is the obvious, unquestioned answer to the entire trans issue?
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
A more just forum would have a whole section set aside for debunking trans ideology, with all the major arguments pinned at the top. Like the 9-11 debunking section.