Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

[Stacyhs]

Because of the knife, identified as Sollecito's, fit the neck wound, fit the outline on the mattress,

Why do you repeat nonsense like this? The knife COULD have made the neck wound...along with almost any single edged knife. YOUR kitchen knives could have "fit" the neck wound.
It did NOT fit the outline on the mattress, nor could it have made all the wounds, both of which are why the prosecution had to claim two knives were used. From Hellmann:

In the first place, in fact, the said knife was not held to be compatible with other wounds present on the body of Meredith Kercher, clearly inflicted by a smaller knife, so that the Court of first instance had to hypothesize the use of several knives and the presence of several attackers, otherwise the seized knife would not have been compatible with the wounds. In the second place, on the bed sheet in the room of the victim, a bloody print was found which clearly corresponds to a smaller knife.

near-full DNA profile of Mez on blade,

C&V determined it to be "scientifically unreliable" and it could NOT be attributed to Kercher with certainty.

Knox on knife hilt at a point in which a thrusting stabbing movement could be determined (as opposed to slicing food).

The position of DNA on the handle of the knife CANNOT reveal how it was used. Prof. Peter Gill on Massei's speculation:

However, it is clear that this conclusion in the Massei motivation was pure speculation without any grounding in scientific analysis. There is not a single reported publication in the world that would support the notion that DNA analysis could reveal how a knife was used. DNA analysis, without additional supporting evidence, can only inform about the potential identity of the originator, i.e. who, but not when, where, how, or why transfer occurred.

At the cottage when the housemates were taken to the scene, Knox had a breakdown at the knives, blurted out some kind of confession - which we are not privy to, as it is off the record -

Then exactly HOW do you know she did any such thing? Your psychic powers again?

If she had blurted out any sort of confession, it would NOT be "off the record" as you claim. If Napoleoni or anyone else had heard "some kind of confession", it would have been used as evidence.

but it was enough to make Napoleoni escort her to the police car with her head covered by a blanket.

Really? And you have a quote from Napoleoni saying that was why Knox's head was covered and not to shield her from reporters taking photos? Have you considered going on the road with your psychic readings?

According to Follain (pg. 120, Kindle edition):

Amanda was helped to a sofa but she kept crying, so Napoleoni covered her with some jackets to hide her from the TV cameras waiting on the road by the cottage, and took her outside to sit in a car in the drive.

No mention of any "kind of confession".

The LCN on the hilt is the one C&V - on the orders of their US masters - refused to analyse, claiming it was 'too LCN' but which Nencini got Berti and Barni* [_sp? ] of the Rome RIS to analyse. The claim there is no equipment to cope with LCN is laughable as LCN analysis is used in embryology, for example, all the time.

*{sounds like a circus act}

"US masters". Just stop embarrassing yourself with this kind of nonsense.

 

[Stacyhs]

Completely irrelevant. As you yourself claimed in your initial response, Guede's court made a ruling based on speculation, assumption, a completely unproven claim about a knife NOT entered into evidence during the trial.

Did anyone during Guede's trial question the investigation's theory of the break-in being staged? No. So exactly how did the court make a "finding of fact" when the break-in wasn't even debated in court, when evidence that would indicate it was real was never presented? Just like with the knife, the court merely accepted the investigation's theories, something a court should never do.

And no, sorry.. it is NOT clear burglary was not the motive. Guede had been committing B&E's prior to the night of the murder. He was in the cottage, he had no credible explanation for being there, and there was evidence of a break-in. What seems clear to me is he started out planning to burglarize the cottage, was surprised by Meredith coming home, it led to a confrontation that resulted in her death, and his objectives changed after he killed her. After all, if Guede was caught with three "quite expensive" laptops, Filomena's camera and jewellery, and students hi-fi system, all items taken from the scene of a murder, he might as well print his own ticket to prison. So no, him not taking those things is quite understandable.

Additionally, I think he was looking for cash as he knew rent was due and paid in cash as was the normal procedure. He needed cash immediately to pay his own rent and the fact Meredith's cash was missing supports that. Once he had assaulted and killed Meredith, which I don't think pre-planned, he grabbed her wallet out of her purse, her two cell phones, and got the hell out of there ASAP. He had no idea who or when the others could come back so he didn't take the time to go through the other rooms. He had what he wanted.

 

[Stacyhs]

This is completely wrong, but that's beside the point. I said that even if you don't accept that the first and second toes are merged, it's still obvious that the bathmat print looks nothing like Raffaele's reference print.

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So please explain to us, Vixen, who claims to be the only one here who's able to see "the truth of the matter," why the yellow line is almost touching the tip of the big toe of the bathmat print, but is more than a centimeter behind the tip of the big toe of Raffaele's reference print.

Silly. This is clearly where Vinci manipulated the photos using Photoshop for which he was accused...er... reprimanded by Massei!

 

[Stacyhs]

It's very basic. Before a court can proceed with a criminal trial for murder, then of course, it has to determine how that murder took place.

Um...no. Before the murder trial can proceed, the preliminary court has to determine if there is enough evidence against the suspects to proceed. They do NOT determine HOW that murder took place.

Second point: Guede had no convictions at all as of the time of the murder. So yours and Nina Burleigh's propaganda ('the real killer was a Black migrant cat burglar' ~ her words) is a pure classic attempt at trying to influence people's basest prejudices (as if a five-year-old could be a automatic criminal).

This is the classic go-to for the PGP: despite the fact he was caught red-handed with stolen goods from a burglary in Perugia (for which he was later convicted), that he had stolen knife in his backpack from the school in Milan (for which he was let go under suspicious circumstances), that Tramontano and his girlfriend both swore in a deposition that Guede had broken into their home and threatened Tramontano with a knife, and despite at least one friend of Guede's stating Guede stole out of girls' purses at discos...the fact he wasn't "convicted" of those is somehow evidence that he wasn't a damn thief/burglar!


Fact: Guede IS black. But Burleigh actually referred to him as "an African Italian".
Fact: Burleigh never called him a "migrant" or a "cat burglar". She called him a "drifter" along with many others previously quoted and cited for you by me.
Fact: Guede WAS a burglar.

Compare and contrast both Knox and Sollecito each having been cautioned by police in the past.

Yes, let's compare a noise violation for a going away party in college to Guede's being caught red handed with stolen property stolen on two different occasions.
Sollecito was ticketed for some weed that he and another friend took responsibility for in order to keep the owner from being over the limit for personal use. (Honor Bound)

Third point: there would be no point Guede risking life and limb to scale a thirteen-foot sheer wall, with jagged shards of glass to push through, without burgling something.

Oh, good god. Your hyperbolic description of "risking life and limb" and "sheer wall" aside, he was either in that house to steal something of value OR he was there to have sex with Meredith by her invitation. Do you actually believe the latter?

Why take a couple of cheap phones when you can easily cart off a load of laptops in one of Filomena's bags?

Ahem...Meredith's rent money was also missing along with her wallet from her purse on which Guede's DNA in her blood was found. How conveniently you leave that out. Also conveniently left out is the fact that he had a history of theft.

 

[Stacyhs]

Knox had committed B&E's against her fellows at Washington, except when she does it, it's a 'prank', sole aim to cause distress and anxiety.

Oh, did she now? Then you can cite these multiple B&E's (your plural). You misleadingly like to present it as Knox doing this when, if fact, it was Knox and some fellow housemates.

It was a silly prank that YOU NEED to exaggerate because admitting it was just a college April Fool's Day prank would not demonize her enough for you.

As for a real burglar, you don't think they keep what they steal? It's immediately passed on to a fence.

Assfact. Some things they keep, some they fence. It depends on what was stolen and if the thief wants it. But if it's "immediately passed on to a fence" why are stolen goods often found in the thief's possession long after the theft?

This is likely how Guede got that lawyer's laptop; bought it cheap in a pub.

Ummm...no. He told police he bought the phones and laptop off some guy in the Milan train station. How likely is it that Guede just happened to run into some random guy in Milan who had items stolen in Perugia?
If you believe that, I've got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.

Even if RG was a burglar and he took the phones as loot, then as a burglar, he'd know how to get rid of the SIM-cards before you do anything else.

You're making assumptions that fit your narrative. You don't know what RG would know or do.

Professional burglars don't spend time ripping up bits of paper and scattering them around. Their aim is to be in and out as fast as possible.

You don't know how those bits of paper got on the duvet. Once again, you're just making up 'facts' to fit your narrative. No one may have scattered those papers; they could have been blown onto the duvet by wind. We just don't know.

They don't even use the loo, they defaecate and urinate where they stand, they have no time for niceties.

Oh, really?

A Guelph, Ont. woman has been arrested for a weekend break-in during which police say 'a large bowel movement' was left in the victims' toilet.

Los Angeles: A burglar in the US was arrested after he left behind 'key evidence' at the crime scene - an unflushed toilet.

According to the police report, the burglar then used the woman’s toilet and left feces in the commode.

What was that you were saying about burglars not using the loo?

A professional criminal understands the need for speed. They don't hang around the joint for hours, fetching towels to stem a neck wound, cover the body or find a key to lock the door. Burglars carry a swag bag for a reason: it's for carrying as much loot out as possible. There is no way a real burglar would shimmer thirteen feet up a sheer wall and through dangerous glass without something to put the swag in.

Most burglars don't sexually assault and murder the resident, either, inducing panic to get the hell away.

Guede didn't hang around "for hours", either. It takes just a few minutes to cover the body, go through a purse, grab the keys, lock a door and leave.

After today, I'm going to need a bigger assfacts can.

 

[AnimalFriendly]

Actually, I was referring to the key to Mez' door. That was a major red flag to me. Re the front door, Napoleoni on arrival at the murder scene, briefly chatted with the house occupants who were there. She said Knox told her when she found the front door swinging open, she assumed someone had gone out to the bins. Napoleoni remarked that the situation of the bins meant Knox would have had to pass anyone at or going towards the bin.

It doesn't matter if you weren't "referring" to the front door. That door still required a key to unlock it. And to keep it shut after being closed which Guede had no way of knowing. I don't place much stock in what Napoleoni claimed but Knox wouldn't have necessarily had to "pass" anyone with respect to the bins to merely initially assume that was why the front door was standing open. The front door standing open strongly suggests Guede went out it the night before. He didn't know it wouldn't stay shut unless locked...if he had known, he would have made sure it was locked since it standing wide open did nothing but potentially draw attention to the cottage the following morning to passers-by.

 

[Vixen]

Does it take a pathologist to determine that holding a knife to someone's throat might make them comply?

Really, Vixen.....

The pathologist did not explain Mez' lack of defence wounds as her being 'too scared to fight back'. That is your suggestion. When someone is approached with someone threatening them with a knife, they don't immediately believe they are going to die, so yes they do tend to defend themselves out of reflex in what is initially a physical one-to-one confrontation. This is quite different from someone pointing a gun and your - wisely - simply handing over your wallet. So if Guede the burglar decided he was overcome by aggressive lust, then Mez might have - sensibly -succumbed to sexual assault in face of the serious threat to life. But the post-mortem showed no less that FOUR stab wounds to the neck. This was someone who wanted to make sure they finished her off. OK, you could say, RG was worried she could identify him so he was panicked into doing this. But there are a further forty-four visible wounds, many of them knife flicks. So Guede was not only after a sexual assault, he was also enjoying bullying her and inflicting pain, distress and fear. He was 'teaching her a lesson' even though they had previously exchanged friendly banter in a pub over an England ~vs~ South Africa World Cup Rugby game. So no, the pathologist was probably correct to determine it was not a simple murder/rape.

 

[Vixen]

This is exactly what I mean when I say you misrepresent and twist what people say. Nowhere in my statement did I refer to Meredith...nor did LondonJohn to whom I was responding. We both were referring to "a woman" in general terms.


And what does that have to do with what either LondonJohn or I wrote?


That is an irony cake with hypocrisy frosting!


We don't have to do either of the above to know that a woman (never mentioning Meredith) might comply with her assailant's demand if they had a knife to their throat.






Again, you are deliberately and completely misrepresenting what I said. And Meredith did indeed have wounds on her hands which might have been defense wounds. As Manuela Comodi said in the Neflix docu:

Note she did NOT say there were NO defensive wounds.

You're assuming Guede was SWIPING at Kercher. There is no evidence of this. In fact, most of the wounds are small nicks or tip stab wounds which a swiping motion would not inflict. The fatal wound certainly wasn't from a swiping motion as it resulted from a sawing motion.


Not if he arrived AFTER Meredith came home. But he didn't. According to his deposition, he arrived around 8:30 not at 9:00 when we know she arrived.


They made that assumption based on their belief the burglary was staged and that Knox let him in. There is no actual evidence of either which is why Hellmann disagreed entirely.

LOL. Really? That's your evidence? The interrogation statement she retracted?

She didn't retract it.

 

[Vixen]

I've always been amused by your creative writing style...


Well, let's see. How does one get up on the terrace in the first place? Hmmm... it appears you'd have to climb the security grate on the window below it to get up there, which sounds very much the same effort as climbing the security grate under Filomena's window to get up there. So far, it's no easier. Next, there's breaking the window, or are you suggesting the glass french doors should have been what he broke to get into? For Filomena's window, all he had to do was toss the rock from the parking area parapet. If he broke in from the terrace, he'd have had to carry the rock up with him as there was no easy way to throw the rock from the ground. And, of course, this creates another problem. If someone is home it's easy to just run from the parapet, but if he's up on the terrace, getting away is much harder. In fact, the only thing that would be easier from the terrace would be climbing in through the window, but only slightly, and it certainly does not offset the harder aspects of getting onto the terrace and getting away if someone is home.

There was nothing about how Meredith was murdered that made it more difficult for a lone assailant that any of the hundreds of thousands of other females murdered by a lone male assailant.


I see no evidence that suggests her clothes didn't come off until she was deceased. In fact, I believe the aspirated blood droplets on her bare breasts is proof she was in fact still alive when she was undressed. Further, there is no evidence she was moved after death, nor is there any evidence it was by pulling her hair.


He finally did something smart, as taking those other items would link him to the murder. He apparently realized the same was true with the cell phones, which is why he tossed those, but cash is easily spent without tracing.


I don't think it was pity, nor do I think he was trying to staunch the blood. But whatever the motive, he did fetch the towel and cover her body with the duvet.

OK, so what's the problem here?... I think, despite your somewhat creative writing style, and the questionable comments I've noted above, you summed things up pretty well.

You're wrong, the mass of blood on her bra - which was found discarded, by her foot - indicates she was still wearing it when the fatal stab to the neck occurred. As it took a further fifteen minutes for her to drown from inhaling the blood from her throat, that would account for the further aspirated blood showing over her chest. Now, if sexual assault was the only aim, all the perp needed to do was simply lift it up. There wasn't any need to tear it off or cut it off with a knife. She was moved. Blood spatter experts know she died by the closet and that she was dragged by her hair some eighteen inches away from it. It was believed there was a plan to lift her up onto a sheet and remove the body all together.

Studies show that people cover the faces of people they know when they are dead, so Mignini was correct to surmise - and he has seen plenty of crime scenes - that the perp was someone who knew her. A random burglar/rapist/killer would just be out of there fast because of the fear of being caught. Here's the thing, Guede wouldn't know the rent money was due so how would he know there was €300 lying around. Yet nothing was stolen from Filomena's room and he didn't even go into Knox' room, nor Laura's (nor even Filomena's as there is no forensic sign of him there). So he had a personal grudge against Mez. Playing devil's advocate here, explain what this personal grudge Guede had towards Mez was about.

 

[Vixen]

Oh, did she now? Then you can cite these multiple B&E's (your plural). You misleadingly like to present it as Knox doing this when, if fact, it was Knox and some fellow housemates.

It was a silly prank that YOU NEED to exaggerate because admitting it was just a college April Fool's Day prank would not demonize her enough for you.


Assfact. Some things they keep, some they fence. It depends on what was stolen and if the thief wants it. But if it's "immediately passed on to a fence" why are stolen goods often found in the thief's possession long after the theft?

Ummm...no. He told police he bought the phones and laptop off some guy in the Milan train station. How likely is it that Guede just happened to run into some random guy in Milan who had items stolen in Perugia?
If you believe that, I've got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.


You're making assumptions that fit your narrative. You don't know what RG would know or do.


You don't know how those bits of paper got on the duvet. Once again, you're just making up 'facts' to fit your narrative. No one may have scattered those papers; they could have been blown onto the duvet by wind. We just don't know.



Oh, really?



What was that you were saying about burglars not using the loo?


Most burglars don't sexually assault and murder the resident, either, inducing panic to get the hell away.

Guede didn't hang around "for hours", either. It takes just a few minutes to cover the body, go through a purse, grab the keys, lock a door and leave.

After today, I'm going to need a bigger assfacts can.

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Knox' B&E's weren't just 'pranks'. After one, she was forced to apologise to the victim of her bullying for the distress she caused her. Another said AK had sought to frighten them by breaking in wearing a sinister ski mask over her face. One victim of AK's B&E 'prank' rang up Perugia Police after the murder of Meredith to report AK's B&E and staged burglary of her room, which was turned upside down,, so clearly this was not seen as just a 'prank' by the person who rang up all the way from the USA. Whatever the true facts of the matter are, we know with certainty staging a scene to make it look like a burglary is something Knox was experienced in. Then there's her history of writing lurid rape fantasies about 'chicks wanting it'. So yes, if Guede's history of being unemployed and a supposed cat burglar (despite no police record) is relevant to the crime then so is Knox' past history.

 

[Vixen]

It doesn't matter if you weren't "referring" to the front door. That door still required a key to unlock it. And to keep it shut after being closed which Guede had no way of knowing. I don't place much stock in what Napoleoni claimed but Knox wouldn't have necessarily had to "pass" anyone with respect to the bins to merely initially assume that was why the front door was standing open. The front door standing open strongly suggests Guede went out it the night before. He didn't know it wouldn't stay shut unless locked...if he had known, he would have made sure it was locked since it standing wide open did nothing but potentially draw attention to the cottage the following morning to passers-by.

Another interpretation is that Knox knowing this therefore had to claim the front door was swinging open when she arrived next morning. We only have her word it was open.

 

[Vixen]

Why do you repeat nonsense like this? The knife COULD have made the neck wound...along with almost any single edged knife. YOUR kitchen knives could have "fit" the neck wound.
It did NOT fit the outline on the mattress, nor could it have made all the wounds, both of which are why the prosecution had to claim two knives were used. From Hellmann:



C&V determined it to be "scientifically unreliable" and it could NOT be attributed to Kercher with certainty.


The position of DNA on the handle of the knife CANNOT reveal how it was used. Prof. Peter Gill on Massei's speculation:



Then exactly HOW do you know she did any such thing? Your psychic powers again?

If she had blurted out any sort of confession, it would NOT be "off the record" as you claim. If Napoleoni or anyone else had heard "some kind of confession", it would have been used as evidence.


Really? And you have a quote from Napoleoni saying that was why Knox's head was covered and not to shield her from reporters taking photos? Have you considered going on the road with your psychic readings?

According to Follain (pg. 120, Kindle edition):

No mention of any "kind of confession".


"US masters". Just stop embarrassing yourself with this kind of nonsense.

Vecchiotti's bibliography is full of US citations. Vinci was part of a US agency.

 

[Vixen]

Additionally, I think he was looking for cash as he knew rent was due and paid in cash as was the normal procedure. He needed cash immediately to pay his own rent and the fact Meredith's cash was missing supports that. Once he had assaulted and killed Meredith, which I don't think pre-planned, he grabbed her wallet out of her purse, her two cell phones, and got the hell out of there ASAP. He had no idea who or when the others could come back so he didn't take the time to go through the other rooms. He had what he wanted.

How would he know the rent was due? If so, how come he didn't also rummage through the drawers in AK's, Laura's and Filomena's rooms, as well as the guys' downstairs? Even if rent was due, how would he know Mez took it out of the cashpoint well in advance. She could have waited until Filomena got back after her holiday weekend.

 

[Vixen]

Um...no. Before the murder trial can proceed, the preliminary court has to determine if there is enough evidence against the suspects to proceed. They do NOT determine HOW that murder took place.

This is the classic go-to for the PGP: despite the fact he was caught red-handed with stolen goods from a burglary in Perugia (for which he was later convicted), that he had stolen knife in his backpack from the school in Milan (for which he was let go under suspicious circumstances), that Tramontano and his girlfriend both swore in a deposition that Guede had broken into their home and threatened Tramontano with a knife, and despite at least one friend of Guede's stating Guede stole out of girls' purses at discos...the fact he wasn't "convicted" of those is somehow evidence that he wasn't a damn thief/burglar!


Fact: Guede IS black. But Burleigh actually referred to him as "an African Italian".
Fact: Burleigh never called him a "migrant" or a "cat burglar". She called him a "drifter" along with many others previously quoted and cited for you by me.
Fact: Guede WAS a burglar.


Yes, let's compare a noise violation for a going away party in college to Guede's being caught red handed with stolen property stolen on two different occasions.
Sollecito was ticketed for some weed that he and another friend took responsibility for in order to keep the owner from being over the limit for personal use. (Honor Bound)


Oh, good god. Your hyperbolic description of "risking life and limb" and "sheer wall" aside, he was either in that house to steal something of value OR he was there to have sex with Meredith by her invitation. Do you actually believe the latter?


Ahem...Meredith's rent money was also missing along with her wallet from her purse on which Guede's DNA in her blood was found. How conveniently you leave that out. Also conveniently left out is the fact that he had a history of theft.

Er, Nina Burleigh, Knox advocate, on 20 August 2025, did write the following:

"Rudy Guede was a Black immigrant, known to local cops as a cat burglar, repeatedly breaking into empty houses and taking stuff. He had never murdered anyone, but was known to carry a knife. His fingerprints were on the wall of Meredith’s bedroom, his shoe print on the floor in blood. A local Perugia defense lawyer, tight with the prosecutor, copped him a plea deal."

The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox

“My every quirk would be used to brand me as a monster.”

www.americanfreakshow.news

A self-professed racist or what? In addition, it is untrue as Italy doesn't have plea deals.

As for Taramantano's girlfriend, that doesn't make his allegations stronger. Courts treat spouses as an extension of their partners and hence a spouse is not required to testify against their partner. Likewise getting your SO to back you up is hardly proof it was Guede in Taramantano's apartment as claimed. As police never took him seriously, why are you demanding we should?

 

[LondonJohn]

LOL It's worth remembering that the Marasca SC panel threw out every one of the murder-related charges against Knox and Sollecito, on the sound, lawful and correct basis that a competent court should have rejected every single piece of prosecution "evidence" against the pair.

Desperate pro-guilt commentators can carry on shouting into the wind as much as they want. It's now abundantly clear that they are flat-out wrong, and that they're as ignorant about the evidence as the incompetent convicting lower courts in this case. Game over. Move on.

 

[Welshman]

You're wrong, the mass of blood on her bra - which was found discarded, by her foot - indicates she was still wearing it when the fatal stab to the neck occurred. As it took a further fifteen minutes for her to drown from inhaling the blood from her throat, that would account for the further aspirated blood showing over her chest. Now, if sexual assault was the only aim, all the perp needed to do was simply lift it up. There wasn't any need to tear it off or cut it off with a knife. She was moved. Blood spatter experts know she died by the closet and that she was dragged by her hair some eighteen inches away from it. It was believed there was a plan to lift her up onto a sheet and remove the body all together.

Studies show that people cover the faces of people they know when they are dead, so Mignini was correct to surmise - and he has seen plenty of crime scenes - that the perp was someone who knew her. A random burglar/rapist/killer would just be out of there fast because of the fear of being caught. Here's the thing, Guede wouldn't know the rent money was due so how would he know there was €300 lying around. Yet nothing was stolen from Filomena's room and he didn't even go into Knox' room, nor Laura's (nor even Filomena's as there is no forensic sign of him there). So he had a personal grudge against Mez. Playing devil's advocate here, explain what this personal grudge Guede had towards Mez was about.

Guilters being lapdogs and mouthpieces paid by the prosecution are prepared to embarrass themselves by claiming the opinions of a corrupt buffoon like Mignini should be taken seriously.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Vixen, are you going to answer my question?



If, as you contend, you can "see the truth" that the print on the bathmat was made by Raffaele's foot, then why is the yellow line that passes approximately through the tip of the big toe of the bathmat print more than one centimeter behind the tip of the big toe of Raffaele's reference print?

 

[Myriad]

Knox' B&E's weren't just 'pranks'. After one, she was forced to apologise to the victim of her bullying for the distress she caused her. Another said AK had sought to frighten them by breaking in wearing a sinister ski mask over her face. One victim of AK's B&E 'prank' rang up Perugia Police after the murder of Meredith to report AK's B&E and staged burglary of her room, which was turned upside down,, so clearly this was not seen as just a 'prank' by the person who rang up all the way from the USA. Whatever the true facts of the matter are, we know with certainty staging a scene to make it look like a burglary is something Knox was experienced in. Then there's her history of writing lurid rape fantasies about 'chicks wanting it'. So yes, if Guede's history of being unemployed and a supposed cat burglar (despite no police record) is relevant to the crime then so is Knox' past history.

It's so sad that so many of the members here just can't understand that Guede is a dreamy bad boy who acts out because he needs someone loyal and understanding to be his mother and the mother of his children, while Knox is a brazen hussy who doesn't even want the bad boys but tempts them away from the loyal understanding women who were truly meant for them? It's not fair! Waaaaaahh!

 

[Vixen]

It's so sad that so many of the members here just can't understand that Guede is a dreamy bad boy who acts out because he needs someone loyal and understanding to be his mother and the mother of his children, while Knox is a brazen hussy who doesn't even want the bad boys but tempts them away from the loyal understanding women who were truly meant for them? It's not fair! Waaaaaahh!

I've identified a new Logical Fallacy. I would like to give credit to AmyStrange but I think 11-year-old Justin Bieber fans got there first, so we'll call it the 'Justin Bieber logical fallacy', which holds, "If you don't like Justin Bieber and his music, you are a hater!" I'll admit that Myriad's one is quite sophisticated in form but can be summed up thus: "You're a hater!" or, to put it in AmyStrange words, "You're a Guede-lover!" Saves thinking.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen, are you going to answer my question?

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If, as you contend, you can "see the truth" that the print on the bathmat was made by Raffaele's foot, then why is the yellow line that passes approximately through the tip of the big toe of the bathmat print more than one centimeter behind the tip of the big toe of Raffaele's reference print?

Notice the missing thread in the mat at that juncture..?