Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

3point14 said:
On devices entirely facilitated by parents? Either their own or others, then?

And that's the main corridor for this exposure?

Or is the main corridor the computer or phone provided by their parents?

I would also suggest that, without actual data, the people quoted in that article have massively skewed samples, given that one "works with children who are displaying signs of inappropriate sexual behaviour", one "has worked within the field of child sexual abuse for 16 years." and one "is a senior social worker who has worked with children for over 30 years".

Their observations, and they are only anecdotal, are not data.
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You have not shown that their observations are merely anecdotal. Is the efficacy claim of post #2,066 anecdotal?

That most child abuse is carried out by children is a fact. Why has that statistic got worse?

Lynn Perry MBE, Barnardo’s Chief Executive said:
It is extremely concerning that child sexual abuse offences are increasing and more than half are now committed by children.

At Barnardo's, we see the harm that extreme and violent pornography can cause children, distorting their views and attitudes towards healthy relationships, sex and consent. Across the UK we are supporting children who have participated in sexual acts they have seen online. It is key that robust age verification to protect children from pornographic content is implemented swiftly by Ofcom, as set out in the Online Safety Act.

Are the UK police disagreeing with these child experts? No they aren't (The Guardian, 10th Jan 2024):
Boys are watching violent porn on their smartphones then going on to attack girls, police have said, as new data showed children are now the biggest perpetrators of sexual abuse against other children.

Now please cite an expert who concludes otherwise.
How would you evaluate the harm caused? Mild, negligible, not harmful?
 
You harvest what you sow. Adults have normalised this stuff - particularly violent and abusive porn (including simulated rape, underage (over 18s dressed to look younger) and incest) - and now children are imitating what they see.
 
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The greatest risk to children remains abuse within the family.

Ian Critchley, who leads the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) in tackling child abuse, said the new figures demonstrated
the need for parents to have "uncomfortable conversations" with their children about the problem.
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Sound familiar?

Nothing about the need for the government to restrict access to porn.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Just found this:

The greatest risk to children remains abuse within the family.


Sound familiar?

Nothing about the need for the government to restrict access to porn.
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www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk

NPCC lead appears at Education Select Committee: Online harms affecting children. | The Hydrant Programme

www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk

Ian Critchley said: “Sessions such as these are incredibly important in discussing and informing the next steps required of the Online Safety Act as it is implemented. We know this new legislation will take time to implement but the public rightly expects action now to protect children from online harms. We have heard this most powerfully from courageous parents who have tragically lost their children that the talking must stop and we must see much greater intent and action from tech companies particularly around critical areas like age verification and preventing the uploading and sharing of harmful content . We also need to ensure we enhance our understanding and education for young people , parents and carers and ensure schools play a crucial role in this too.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Did you mean " parents " have normalized this stuff?
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Poem said:
Adults obviously includes those who are parents.
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Adults fall into distinct cohorts. The values, priorities, and concerns of adults who aren't parents, adult parents of adult children, and adult parents of minor children, can be very different, and can have different effects on the overall culture. Even within the cohort of parents of minor children, there can be significant differences between a working-class single parent with a full time job, and a middle-class SAHM whose full-time job is parenting in partnership with their spouse.

And people move between those categories. A lot of people start out as adults without children, before becoming adults with minor children. It's entirely possible for someone to fall into the normalization of porn as a single person, then be trapped by that cultural inertia that they contributed to, when they become a parent and rethink some of their priorities.

It doesn't follow from "some adults are parents" that "parents are normalizing this stuff". Though I'm sure it's true to some extent. See above.
 
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Poem said:
www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk

NPCC lead appears at Education Select Committee: Online harms affecting children. | The Hydrant Programme

www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk

Ian Critchley said: “Sessions such as these are incredibly important in discussing and informing the next steps required of the Online Safety Act as it is implemented. We know this new legislation will take time to implement but the public rightly expects action now to protect children from online harms. We have heard this most powerfully from courageous parents who have tragically lost their children that the talking must stop and we must see much greater intent and action from tech companies particularly around critical areas like age verification and preventing the uploading and sharing of harmful content . We also need to ensure we enhance our understanding and education for young people , parents and carers and ensure schools play a crucial role in this too.
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That quote is referring to what I consider the most harmful i.e. social media and its cohorts.
 
Darat said:
That quote is referring to what I consider the most harmful i.e. social media and its cohorts.
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Why is it the worst? I'm not saying you are wrong - I mean we know X is where most children see porn.
 
Poem said:
Why is it the worst? I'm not saying you are wrong - I mean we know X is where most children see porn.
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Is it?

There's a lot of pornified and porn-adjacent brainrot, aimed at kids, on TikTok and YouTube - "Elsagate" content for example. Honestly I'm a lot more concerned about that sub-porn material, that's flying just under the censor's radar, than I am about explicit materials leaking out from Pornhub, Redtube, etc.
 
theprestige said:
Is it?
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According to the UK's Children's Commissioner - yes. See this table (page 19): https://assets.childrenscommissione...nd-of-broken-now-children-and-pornography.pdf
theprestige said:
There's a lot of pornified and porn-adjacent brainrot, aimed at kids, on TikTok and YouTube - "Elsagate" content for example. Honestly I'm a lot more concerned about that sub-porn material, that's flying just under the censor's radar, than I am about explicit materials leaking out from Pornhub, Redtube, etc.
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Difficult to comment without knowing the exact nature of the content - though it does sound like you are describing gateways that lead to the more extreme stuff.
 
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Poem said:
According to the UK's Children's Commissioner - yes. See this table (page 19): https://assets.childrenscommissione...nd-of-broken-now-children-and-pornography.pdf
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Unfortunately the Children's Commissioner doesn't provide the survey data or methodology.

Poem said:
Difficult to comment without knowing the exact nature of the content - though it does sound like you are describing gateways that lead to the more extreme stuff.
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No. I'm describing things that are problematic in and of themselves, and are largely unaccounted for - largely unknown - by the censors.
 
Poem said:
You have not shown that their observations are merely anecdotal. Is the efficacy claim of post #2,066 anecdotal?
Yes

Poem said:
That most child abuse is carried out by children is a fact. Why has that statistic got worse?
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Abysmal parenting that fails to appreciate the dangers inherent in providing children with unrestricted access to the internet?

Poem said:
Lynn Perry MBE, Barnardo’s Chief Executive said:
It is extremely concerning that child sexual abuse offences are increasing and more than half are now committed by children.

At Barnardo's, we see the harm that extreme and violent pornography can cause children, distorting their views and attitudes towards healthy relationships, sex and consent. Across the UK we are supporting children who have participated in sexual acts they have seen online. It is key that robust age verification to protect children from pornographic content is implemented swiftly by Ofcom, as set out in the Online Safety Act.

Are the UK police disagreeing with these child experts? No they aren't (The Guardian, 10th Jan 2024):
Boys are watching violent porn on their smartphones then going on to attack girls, police have said, as new data showed children are now the biggest perpetrators of sexual abuse against other children.
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Because, of course, the police have a random sample.

Poem said:
Now please cite an expert who concludes otherwise.
How would you evaluate the harm caused? Mild, negligible, not harmful?
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I'm simply questioning the nuetrality of observers who are steeped in a subject. I suspect you don't actually understand why I don't take the quoted individuals at face value as you do. I'm therefore giving up trying to explain to you why I believe that.
 
Darat said:
That quote is referring to what I consider the most harmful i.e. social media and its cohorts.
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another interesting fact to add to this discussion is that if you ban the porn sites, people will just put more and more porn on other sites, particularly social media sites, because there’s nowhere else to get the porn.

and of course, if this is completely the parents responsibility, even the ok sites start becoming a problem due to the fact that their moderation standards are already terrible, and let’s face, they just want engagement and their moderation to be the absolute minimum amount of cost.

so maybe enforcing a higher moderation standard on normal websites, with a particular focus on the giant social media sites worth trillions of dollars who freely allow porn and rampant scams, and keeping the porn contained to reasonably accessible porn sites is the way to go. imo anyway.
 
Helen said:
Social media, unfortunately, also make it easier for people thus inclined to groom children. That causes real harm, seeing some porn (and children have always come across porn, and irl sex) rarely does.
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The evidence for that is what? Why are the police, children's charities and child experts saying the opposite? They state the harm caused is 'so severe' that action needed to happen (e said it 2 years ago) immediately.

Your stance equates with allowing children to see porn as per the status quo. Showing porn to kids is sexual abuse...not an indictment of any individual per se but of society in general who demand access.
 
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