Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Thermal]

Let's deal with the unevidenced claim that a list existed first.

Better yet: let's start with your rather large backlog of requested evidence and challenges that you've snipped out and/or ignored.

 

[Ziggurat]

That's because the SC has not chosen to hear one.

Oh, I never said anything about a supreme court case. There isn't ANY such case. Because it's not actually under dispute. The idea that it is is entirely your own invention. Even the TRAs don't push that line.

 

[Thermal]

Oh, I never said anything about a supreme court case. There isn't ANY such case. Because it's not actually under dispute. The idea that it is is entirely your own invention. Even the TRAs don't push that line.

Boston v Clayton County. I do believe you are familiar.

 

[theprestige]

Boston v Clayton County. I do believe you are familiar.

Employees. Not customers of the service. Not the service itself. Try again.

 

[lionking]

Hilarious.

Germany has a quite new government. It’s time it got around to changing these stupid laws.

 

[Ziggurat]

Boston v Clayton County. I do believe you are familiar.

To expand on what theprestige said, that case involved employment discrimination. Nobody here is advocating for employment discrimination. This case does NOT cover the sort of sex segregation we are discussing here, and which I and others here have advocated for. I was very explicit about this, but apparently you weren't paying attention.

 

[smartcooky]

To expand on what theprestige said, that case involved employment discrimination. Nobody here is advocating for employment discrimination. This case does NOT cover the sort of sex segregation we are discussing here, and which I and others here have advocated for. I was very explicit about this, but apparently you weren't paying attention.

To make this clear for Thermal's benefit....

Bostock v. Clayton County was a 2020 Supreme Court case that ruled discrimination based on sexual orientation or transgender status is a form of sex discrimination, and thus violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Court found that it is impossible to discriminate against someone for being gay or transgender without also discriminating against them based on their sex, making such discrimination unlawful in the workplace​

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The Case​

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Who:​

Gerald Bostock, a child welfare services coordinator in Clayton County, Georgia, was fired after his employer learned he was gay.​

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What:​

Bostock sued, arguing his termination was unlawful discrimination based on sexual orientation.​

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The Question:​

The Supreme Court had to decide if Title VII's prohibition on sex discrimination included discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.​

(from Google AI -I have separately fact checked, and this is accurate)​

The case was ENTIRELY about discrimination in the workplace, and NOTHING to do with sex segregation.

 

[smartcooky]

I don't support fiat self-ID.

That's progress, maybe

Yes or No, and NO equivocating. Do you think that a biological man who goes into a women's toilet, whose presence is then challenged, should be permitted to remain merely by declaring that he is a woman?

Yes or No, and NO equivocating. Do you think that a biological man who dresses up in women's clothing, and then goes into a women's toilet, whose presence is then challenged, should be permitted to remain merely by declaring that he is a woman?

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Because the victims reacted as if it were an unexpected event:

Within a few minutes, a small crowd of upset women and girls, wearing terry-cloth robes and shower shoes, fled the lockers and assembled at the front desk, where they complained to the attendant that “a man” had infiltrated the women’s area and was exposing “himself” in front of them. One woman who had brought her young daughter to the spa told the clerk it was the first time her child had seen a penis.​

What Really Happened at Wi Spa - LAmag

A viral video shot outside the ladies' locker room of a Korean bathhouse set off weeks of skirmishes and a national debate over trans rights--but nobody got the real story.

lamag.com

Did anyone else LOL when they read that?

American culture is so screwed up when it comes to nakedness and sex.

 

[lionking]

Did anyone else LOL when they read that?

American culture is so screwed up when it comes to nakedness and sex.

Do you have children? Only an idiot or someone without children would laugh at this.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

That's progress, maybe

Yes or No, and NO equivocating. Do you think that a biological man who goes into a women's toilet, whose presence is then challenged, should be permitted to remain merely by declaring that he is a woman?

Yes. If a person needs to use a toilet I don't care. If a person is behaving in an inappropriate way for the facilities that are provided then they should be asked to stop and/or leave. E.g.

Male/female goes into toilet, uses toilet, washes and dries hands, maybe some small talk or pleasantries exchanged, leaves, no problem.

Male/female goes into toilet, stares at other users while rubbing genitals, gets evicted and hopefully ends up getting treatment.

Yes or No, and NO equivocating. Do you think that a biological man who dresses up in women's clothing, and then goes into a women's toilet, whose presence is then challenged, should be permitted to remain merely by declaring that he is a woman?

Yes. See above. The people doing the challenging better have a good explanation.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Do you have children? Only an idiot or someone without children would laugh at this.

People from different cultures would probably just look puzzled at such a person getting so upset.

 

[smartcooky]

Yes. If a person needs to use a toilet I don't care.

Toilets come in pairs - one for men and one for women, so that is not an excuse for invading a women's safe space.

If a person is behaving in an inappropriate way for the facilities that are provided then they should be asked to stop and/or leave. E.g.

A man entering a women's toilet is ALREADY behaving in an inappropriate way.

Male/female goes into toilet, uses toilet, washes and dries hands, maybe some small talk or pleasantries exchanged, leaves, no problem.

Male/female goes into toilet, stares at other users while rubbing genitals, gets evicted and hopefully ends up getting treatment.

I agree, so long as they are using the toilet that aligns with their biological sex

Yes. See above. The people doing the challenging better have a good explanation.

Well there you go. You said "I don't support fiat self-ID", but your comments clearly show that you do.

 

[smartcooky]

People from different cultures would probably just look puzzled at such a person getting so upset.

We're not talking about different cultures though.

 

[lionking]

People from different cultures would probably just look puzzled at such a person getting so upset.

Evasion is all you have.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Toilets come in pairs - one for men and one for women, so that is not an excuse for invading a women's safe space.


A man entering a women's toilet is ALREADY behaving in an inappropriate way.


I agree, so long as they are using the toilet that aligns with their biological sex


Well there you go. You said "I don't support fiat self-ID", but your comments clearly show that you do.

More accurately I don't support fiat self-ID for the reasons you don't support it. I.e., I don't support fiat self-ID because I think people making such a huge change need support and guidance, and possibly have other issues that need to be addressed, such as being on the autistic spectrum.

I don't think public toilets are, could or should be considered "safe spaces", or ID of any kind should be required to use one.

 

[lionking]

I don't think public toilets are, could or should be considered "safe spaces", or ID of any kind should be required to use one.

You might not, but what if women do?

Your misogynistic position is in full view.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

We're not talking about different cultures though.

Which is why this is part of the culture war, pitting those with conservative social views against pretty much everyone else.

Perhaps we could learn something from other cultures and the history of how our culture's social norms have come about?

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

You might not, but what if women do?

Your misogynistic position is in full view.

If a woman thinks public toilets are safe spaces then she is very mistaken, similarly to the young buxom females in horror films who think running up to the highest room in a building is a safe space.

 

[lionking]

If a woman thinks public toilets are safe spaces then she is very mistaken, similarly to the young buxom females in horror films who think running up to the highest room in a building is a safe space.

You have thrown up stupid analogies in this thread, but this is perhaps the stupidest.