Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

The Great Zaganza said:
i disagree - violence against transgender women is very real...
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It might be real, but the level is no greater than against any other group or demographic... See this post....
https://internationalskeptics.com/f...en-are-not-women-part-15.371593/post-14638499
The Great Zaganza said:
...and being forced to use a men's toilet puts them at a much greater risk than if they could use the women's.
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The level of sexual predators among transgender identified males is three times greater than for other males, and sixteen times greater than for females...So your answer is to have them use the women's, and visit the potential violence on women?
 
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Thermal said:
Are you under the impression that every word at trial has carefully considered weight?
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Lawyers tend to write and/or rehearse their opening statements, at least.
Thermal said:
90% of it has nothing to do with anything.
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Made up stat is made up.
Thermal said:
What matters is that he appears to have been naked among other people agreeing to get naked together, in accordance with law.
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For values of "agreeing" which resulted in complaints to the management followed by criminal charges.

Seems like you're awfully willing to say those ladies were asking for it when they seemed to be doing exactly the opposite.

The women who were minors at the time of the incidents varied in their descriptions as well. But one summed up her emotional state on the stand by saying simply, “I knew I shouldn’t have been seeing that.”​

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Rather disturbing how willing you seem to be to take being at the spa in California as constructive consent.
 
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p0lka said:
It's kind of relevant when the only one on the list that can actually let its thoughts be known, lets its thoughts be known and there's no agreement about the definitions, we humans still have to sort it out.
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I despair. You seem unable to grasp the simplest, most basic concepts.
 
d4m10n said:
Lawyers tend to write and/or rehearse their opening statements, at least.

Made up stat is made up.

For values of "agreeing" which resulted in complaints to the management followed by in criminal charges.

Seems like you're awfully willing to say those ladies were "asking for it" when they seem to be doing exactly the opposite.
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Just face it @d4m10n - some men don't like uppity women who stand up for what they believe in. They think women should just STFU and do what the men tell them to do, and any woman who won't comply is asking for it.
 
smartcooky said:
It might be real, but the level is no greater than against any other group or demographic... See this post....
https://internationalskeptics.com/f...en-are-not-women-part-15.371593/post-14638499

The level of sexual predators among transgender identified males is three times greater than for other males, and sixteen times greater than for females...So your answer is to have them use the women's, and visit the potential violence on women?
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Trans rights activists trying not to be misogynist challenge (impossible).
 
I think we should outlaw Christians. Christians have assaulted, killed and tortured far more people than Trans individuals.
 
acbytesla said:
I think we should outlaw Christians. Christians have assaulted, killed and tortured far more people than Trans individuals.
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Nobody here is talking about outlawing trans folks. The primary topic of debate is whether to implement fiat self-ID in public policy. A close second topic is trans rights activism's horrifically anti-science ideological capture of the medical field.

Deal with these two issues, and I think you'll find that the vast majority of the anti-trans animus you perceive just isn't there.

For example, nobody is complaining about anti-discrimination laws that protect gender identity and gender expression.

Since you're here: What's your position on fiat self-ID, as a basis for granting access to sex-segregated things?
 
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theprestige said:
In this case, it seems that the specific question being tried was whether the defendant acted lewdly, not whether the defendant had a gendered entitlement to be there.
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Not so long ago, it was widely presumed to be lewd to show your penis to unsuspecting girls, even on the west coast.
 
theprestige said:
Nobody here is talking about outlawing trans folks.
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If you equate not being able to use the bathroom of your choice with existing, then perhaps we are talking about that.

It's a very strange premise, but it seems like that's where this "outlawing trans folks" comes from. Or at least I can't figure out any other logic to it.
 
d4m10n said:
Lawyers tend to write and/or rehearse their opening statements, at least.
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Yet still throw a ton of ◊◊◊◊ out there to see what sticks.
d4m10n said:
Made up stat is made up.
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Its a common fugure of speech, d4m10n. And you know it. Are we really down to this kind of ◊◊◊◊?
d4m10n said:
For values of "agreeing" which resulted in complaints to the management followed by criminal charges.

Seems like you're awfully willing to say those ladies were asking for it when they seemed to be doing exactly the opposite.

The women who were minors at the time of the incidents varied in their descriptions as well. But one summed up her emotional state on the stand by saying simply, “I knew I shouldn’t have been seeing that.”​

lamag.com

Exclusive: WiSpa Suspect Not Guilty on All Nine Counts of Indecent Exposure - LAmag

An excerpt from the upcoming book "Culture of Confusion, focusing on political riots and polarization, reveals the overlooked ending to the Los Angeles WiSpa gender controversy.
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Pretty sure the child's guardian would have needed to consent on the minor's behalf?

I'd further question how badly the child needed to see a bunch of strangers' labia all over the place, but that's another story.
d4m10n said:
Rather disturbing how willing you seem to be to take being at the spa in California as constructive consent.
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At the risk.of repeating... again... this was a members only joint. I'm certain the spa didn't have a seperate contract for trans people, and this kind of stuff was disclosed in advance. So no, not Cali specific. Wi spa specific.
 
theprestige said:
Nobody here is talking about outlawing trans folks. The primary topic of debate is whether to implement fiat self-ID in public policy. A close second topic is trans rights activism's horrifically anti-science ideological capture of the medical field.

Deal with these two issues, and I think you'll find that the vast majority of the anti-trans animus you perceive just isn't there.

For example, nobody is complaining about anti-discrimination laws that protect gender identity and gender expression.

Since you're here: What's your position on fiat self-ID, as a basis for granting access to sex-segregated things?
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You just want to make their lives hell.

I have a doctor friend who is trans. He was born female and now identifies as male. Nobody seems to care if he uses the Men's.
 
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Thermal said:
Pretty sure the child's guardian would have needed to consent on the minor's behalf?
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Pretty sure those ladies wouldn't've complained if they'd already consented to view penises.

Here's an idea: Let's reinstate the cultural norm that no one shows their penis to women without clear consent and never to minor girls.
 
acbytesla said:
What contradiction? I see none. What I see is hypocrisy.
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Because you presume a motive, one which would create a contradiction which you label hypocrisy. But you are wrong about the motive. Which is why there is no hypocrisy.

Trans identifying females have not been overlooked. We didn't forget they exist, we haven't ignored them, we have not failed to consider them. But they do not create equivalent problems to trans identifying males, because males and females are different. That is entirely consistent with everything we have been saying. It is entirely consistent with our stated motives, not your imagined ones.
 
d4m10n said:
No mention of memberships at https://wispausa.com/ so far as I can see, but there is an entrance fee.

As certain as you are about memberships?
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Merager was said to be referred to by an ID number per your earlier yahoo link and elsewhere. The spa also had a list of it's transgender clients. This suggests some kind of permanent registration, if not a membership. What the current policy on the current website may be different from the time of the event a few years ago, I dunno.

But fair enough, it may well not have been members only at the time, or may have had both members and walk-ins.
 
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