Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
From the report:
3. Children are most likely to see pornography by accident • More than a quarter (27%) of respondents had seen online pornography by the age of 11. • Some respondents reported having seen pornography by the age of “6 or younger”. • 59% reported seeing pornography online by accident up from 38% in 2023.
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Of course kids are going to say they saw it by accident. You think?
 
What would Jesus have done? That is what we need to be asking ourselves.

What kind of porn would Jesus have preferred? Would he have been disappointed if he knew there was porn, but he were prevented from accessing it?

Would we like to have Jesus's tears on our conscience? Will not God smite us if he knew we were scheming to prevent his grown son from watching porn?

Do we want to go to hell, instead of going to heaven? Do we really want that?
 
Darat said:
And for the kids whose parents don't do that?
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That's a good question. In general, I think that the state makes a terrible proxy for parents. We should avoid regulation that gives the state broad authority to interfere on minor pretexts. For example, I tend towards the conclusion that the state should stay out of anything but the most basic sex education, regardless of how badly we suspect some parents may be handling the subject. And even then, the state should solicit and accommodate* the preferences of the parents whose children will be receiving this education.
 
Poem said:
Either way they are still seeing what adults have facilitated them to see. Some very, very young children won't be looking for porn.
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And as very, very young children nearly always do, they will ignore it, as they also nearly always do when they come across something else that is beyond their comprehension.

The very, very young children you ought to be worried about are the ones who do comprehend, who do not ignore, who might even show some interest; they have been sexually abused.
 
Darat said:
No my policy would be that kids cannot have devices that can connect to the internet - it would be hardwired, they would be able to access a network of approved material and content, they would not be able to download social media apps and so on. The internet ceases to exist for those under 16.
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So buy your kid a flip phone then?

Who determines what's "approved"?
 
Darat said:
Then they aren't coming across the likes of Pornhub are they? I checked the claim about violent pornography being the majority, it isn't.
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It's been a long time since I looked at any porn, but the overall sense I got when I did is that what is generally served up without searching to exclude it has females being subordinate to males. Also, the titles of the videos often refer to the female performers as 'slut', 'bitch', 'whore' etc. Porn such as this has men rehearsing to at best misrepresent and at worst disregard the desires and feelings of women during sex, which I would argue is emotional violence.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
It's been a long time since I looked at any porn, but the overall sense I got when I did is that what is generally served up without searching to exclude it has females being subordinate to males. Also, the titles of the videos often refer to the female performers as 'slut', 'bitch', 'whore' etc. Porn such as this has men rehearsing to at best misrepresent and at worst disregard the desires and feelings of women during sex, which I would argue is emotional violence.
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You're describing a subset of porn, yes. But - and this is why education is so important - porn performers are paid actors. They're playing a role. You're not witnessing the degradation of real people, you're witnessing the degradation of characters in a movie. It's important to know this before being blindsided by it and thinking it is normal. You don't complain about the emotional violence in The Godfather, do you?

The exception to the above is amateur porn, but in this case (as long as you're finding it on a reputable and law-abiding site like PornHub or Reddit and aren't going to the illegal and malware-ridden dark web sites and this is also why education is so important) the participants have consented to the recording and distribution of the videos.
 
Clare McGlynn:
My research and policy work reveals the sexually violent nature of mainstream online porn, evidences its harms and recommends strengthened regulation and criminal sanctions. My landmark research (September 2021) with Fiona Vera-Gray and colleagues is the largest ever study of online porn and revealed 1 in 8 titles on mainstream porn websites described sexually violent activity. The study has been reported around the world and forms the evidence-base for many national and international campaigns and policy reforms. This work has also informed the UK’s Online Safety Act.
 
arthwollipot said:
You're describing a subset of porn, yes. But - and this is why education is so important - porn performers are paid actors. They're playing a role. You're not witnessing the degradation of real people, you're witnessing the degradation of characters in a movie. It's important to know this before being blindsided by it and thinking it is normal. You don't complain about the emotional violence in The Godfather, do you?

The exception to the above is amateur porn, but in this case (as long as you're finding it on a reputable and law-abiding site like PornHub or Reddit and aren't going to the illegal and malware-ridden dark web sites and this is also why education is so important) the participants have consented to the recording and distribution of the videos.
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You trust Pornhub after Nicholas Kristof's 2020 NY Times article: The Children of Pornhub?
 
Poem said:
You trust Pornhub after Nicholas Kristof's 2020 NY Times article: The Children of Pornhub?
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It was largely because of that article that they cleaned their act up. That a bunch of sites cleaned their act up, in fact. Are you still living 5 years in the past?
 
Why would anyone trust Pornhub - a company that has made it's content available to the underage for years and is still doing so?
 
arthwollipot said:
You're describing a subset of porn, yes. But - and this is why education is so important - porn performers are paid actors. They're playing a role. You're not witnessing the degradation of real people, you're witnessing the degradation of characters in a movie. It's important to know this before being blindsided by it and thinking it is normal. You don't complain about the emotional violence in The Godfather, do you?

The exception to the above is amateur porn, but in this case (as long as you're finding it on a reputable and law-abiding site like PornHub or Reddit and aren't going to the illegal and malware-ridden dark web sites and this is also why education is so important) the participants have consented to the recording and distribution of the videos.
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Education about the danger of drinking bleach is important, but I still want a child-proof cap on the bottles.

If a person is algorithmically fed a constant stream of a particular type of content, do you think their belief will be biased towards overestimating the frequency of what is depicted in that content in the real world?
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
If a person is algorithmically fed a constant stream of a particular type of content, do you think their belief will be biased towards overestimating the frequency of what is depicted in that content in the real world?
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Is this another way of saying that such content becomes normalised in the mind of such a person - that they think it is normal in the real world?
 
Poem said:
New report cy the Children's Commissioner:
This report is among the most sobering my office has ever published. It paints a stark picture of what childhood looks like in 2025 with an online world that is, in many ways, completely unfit for children. As Children’s Commissioner, I have heard from a million children, parents and carers. Without fail, they all tell me the online world and social media are some of the most significant issues facing this generation.
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These 'parents and carers' have absolutely all the tools they need to prevent access to the internet by the children they're so concerned about.

"Oh please, I gave my child a phone, a computer and unrestricted and unsupervised access to the internet and they went ahead and used it. Please help me by legislating to limit their access to the very thing I facilitated access to in the first place."
 
Poem said:
No, but you have expressed arguments in defence of the easy access of porn:

arthwollipot said:
Meanwhile, the OSA is also providing an unnecessary and unwanted barrier to adults, for whom porn is completely legal.

I'll quote De Souza from her new report:
I want this report to be the last of its kind. A final record of the worst days of the internet before real regulation, before real accountability, before the moment we decided that children’s safety online is not optional. A society is judged by how it protects its children. Let us be judged well.

Bonhoeffer, Mandela and Gandhi have all made equivalent statements. Right now, our record is a disgrace.
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I think society should be judged on how it treats its pets.

My mate Barry thinks society should be judged on how it treats wild birds.

His wife thinks society should be judged on how it treats its old people.

Her mate Linda thinks society should be judged on how it treats its farm produce.

What's your point?
 
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