Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Every so often we get a glimpse behind the curtain - when there is a revealing of the true nature of humanity...and this porn issue is one of those moments.

Who has been made the priority here? Is it most adults who want access (not just any access but very easy access) to whatever flavoured porn they so desire, or is it young people for whom those same adults have made the viewing of such content equally as easy?

This is a watershed moment in human history. There is some push back in Europe and the USA - and now in the UK with the OSA - but it is not nearly enough.

I'll cite Bonhoeffer again: The test of the morality of a society is what it does for it's children.
 
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Useless post.
On the contrary, I think it's a concise and effective response to the whole of this ridiculous thread by pointing out the ludicrously over-the-top hysterical strawmannery with which it's marinated. But I'm not at all surprised you don't understand that one of art's functions is social, political, and intellectual commentary.
 
On the contrary, I think it's a concise and effective response to the whole of this ridiculous thread by pointing out the ludicrously over-the-top hysterical strawmannery with which it's marinated. But I'm not at all surprised you don't understand that one of art's functions is social, political, and intellectual commentary.
Vague.
 
TragicMonkey is attempting to imply that my hyperbolic post pointing out that education isn't some magical fix-all that can replace actual safeguarding is akin to puritanical religious twaddle.
 
TragicMonkey is attempting to imply that my hyperbolic post pointing out that education isn't some magical fix-all that can replace actual safeguarding is akin to puritanical religious twaddle.
Nope, I was commenting on the entire thread. If I was responding to a particular post I'd have quoted it.
 
"Hi kids, today we're going to talk about bukake! Here's what it is and how it works...
... Tomorrow we'll be covering safe techniques for choking your partner while spitting in their face and shoving produce up their anuses!"
All of this is optional stuff that kids can be safely left to discover on their own, as they mature and if the mood strikes them.
 
Nope, I was commenting on the entire thread. If I was responding to a particular post I'd have quoted it.
I shall amend my interpretation then.

TragicMonkey is attempting to imply that my hyperbolic post pointing out that education isn't some magical fix-all that can replace actual all child safeguarding is akin to puritanical religious twaddle.
 
I shall amend my interpretation then.

TragicMonkey is attempting to imply that my hyperbolic post pointing out that education isn't some magical fix-all that can replace actual all child safeguarding is akin to puritanical religious twaddle.
Your skill in interpretation is every bit as good as your ability to avoid logical fallacies.
 
Parents should talk to their children about it, but kids in the schoolyard will be as well.
Which is why it is so important for parents to take the lead in directing the conversation.

It was your assertion. Demonstrate that Rachel De Souza is a out of touch.
I don't think she's out of touch, I just think she's wrong.

I'm not following your point.
Clearly. Your focus on the soundbite rather than the nuance clearly illustrates that:

Are you suggesting it's okay to show a 13 year old porn?
I'm suggesting that it's okay for parents to allow 13 year olds to know that porn exists, if they have developed the emotional maturity to process the information. Some 13 year olds will have that maturity. Some won't. The parents will know. The government will not.

If it's soundbites you want here you go:

Guilt and shame bring harm. Education and information bring understanding. Which do you want for your kids?
 
Which is why it is so important for parents to take the lead in directing the conversation.


I don't think she's out of touch, I just think she's wrong.


Clearly. Your focus on the soundbite rather than the nuance clearly illustrates that:


I'm suggesting that it's okay for parents to allow 13 year olds to know that porn exists, if they have developed the emotional maturity to process the information. Some 13 year olds will have that maturity. Some won't. The parents will know. The government will not.

If it's soundbites you want here you go:

Guilt and shame bring harm. Education and information bring understanding. Which do you want for your kids?
And for the kids whose parents don't do that?
 
I'm suggesting that it's okay for parents to allow 13 year olds to know that porn exists, if they have developed the emotional maturity to process the information. Some 13 year olds will have that maturity. Some won't. The parents will know. The government will not.

If it's soundbites you want here you go:

Guilt and shame bring harm. Education and information bring understanding. Which do you want for your kids?
Whilst I agree that parents should have the conversation, I do not share your view that it will do that much good. I don't see anything from you that proves otherwise.

You just sound like a porn apologist.
 
And for the kids whose parents don't do that?
The parents don't do that because they too were shamed and guilted. Society as a whole needs to stop treating sex as shameful. Educate the children and the teenagers appropriately, and they will do the same when they are having children of their own. But that's for future generations. Right now, teach it in schools. Put it on the curriculum. I was 14 when I did my mandatory sex education in my second year of high school. Yes, it was awkward, yes there were giggles, and no, in 1984 it still didn't address a lot of aspects of sex and sexuality, but yes it did prepare me for when it mattered.

I can't believe that I'm making arguments for education on this of all forums.

Whilst I agree that parents should have the conversation, I do not share your view that it will do that much good. I don't see anything from you that proves otherwise.
You don't know my adult, well-adjusted, safely sexually active, children. It works.

You just sound like a porn apologist.
What on earth is a porn apologist?
Nothing short of a child abuser, which is an egregious and offensive suggestion that I ought to demand an apology for.
 
I do think that internet access can be harmful, but social media seems far more damaging than porn. The bullying on sm can be truly dreadful, and kids could be harassed every day, every hour, and groomed as well, and it can literally be fatal at times. There has always been porn, and kids being exposed to sex between all kinds of animals, including humans, used to be an everyday occurrence. Yes, the amount of porn kids come across has increased, and some of the, shall we say, odder variations of the theme, may be harmful to some. But our views on rape, for instance, have changed for the better quite dramatically, compared to only a few decades ago, and the idea if consent has become far, far more prevalent during my lifetime, as has sex ed. And this is true on the internet as well as irl.

Unsupervised social media, on the other hand, can be a dangerous place for kids.
 
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I do think that internet access can be harmful, but social media seems far more damaging than porn. The bullying on sm can be truly dreadful, and kids could be harassed every day, every hour, and groomed as well, and it can literally be fatal at times. There has always been porn, and kids being exposed to sex between all kinds of animals, including humans, used to be an everyday occurrence. Yes, the amount of porn kids come across has increased, and some of the, shall we say, odder variations of the theme, may be harmful to some. But our views on rape, for instance, have changed for the better quite dramatically, compared to only a few decades ago, and the idea if consent has become far, far more prevalent during my lifetime, as has sex ed. And this is true on the internet as well as irl.

Unsupervised social media, on the other hand, can be a dangerous place for kids.
i agree i think that deceptive and addictive marketing practices are a much greater threat to child development than porn. i think porn is more of a subset of that than a problem in and of itself. in fact it may even be a scapegoat provided by the tech companies pushing those practices on social media to point to to avoid scrutiny on themselves.
 

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