Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Ivor the Engineer]

Has anyone ever been charged with such a crime? If not, why not, do you think?

UK disorder: Two men jailed for stirring up hatred online

The PM tells an emergency Cobra meeting police need to remain on "high alert".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Somewhere a non-binary activist is posting furiously about being erased.

Put another activist next to they and ask them what they are.

 

[Matthew Best]

UK disorder: Two men jailed for stirring up hatred online

The PM tells an emergency Cobra meeting police need to remain on "high alert".

www.bbc.co.uk

So they also advocated for violence against women? Seems odd that it wasn't mentioned anywhere in that article, but that's misogyny for you!

 

[acbytesla]

Which begs the question, what if the teenage girl had been with her father that day?

There are all sorts of situations that people find themselves in that are not great. I don't think anyone feels great about having large numbers of strangers see them in a state. I don't get why a load of people the same biological sex as you seeing you in a state is significantly better than a load of people the same biological sex and of the opposite biological as you sex seeing you in a state.

I mean, when my father and I got covered from head to toe in duck crap walking through Drayton Manor Park I don't recall thinking "If only there were no women or girls walking by this would be so much better!" Similarly, when my father was dying of a brain tumour in a hospice, he didn't seem overly distressed when a female nurse changed the nappy he was wearing.

I think what most people want when they dealing with a state they're in is privacy from everyone except those directly involved in helping them.

Exactly. Who says life is perfectly convenient?

 

[Matthew Best]

Exactly. Who says life is perfectly convenient?

Nobody has said this.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

So they also advocated for violence against women? Seems odd that it wasn't mentioned anywhere in that article, but that's misogyny for you!

Internet troll threatened to kill JK Rowling and MP

Glenn Mullen posted online death threats to the Harry Potter author and former MP Rosie Duffield.

www.bbc.co.uk

IMO, his sentence was way too lenient.

 

[Matthew Best]

I expect that bloke who waved the sign saying "decapitate Terfs" right next to four different MPs is next.

 

[Georg]

Which begs the question, what if the teenage girl had been with her father that day?

There are all sorts of situations that people find themselves in that are not great. I don't think anyone feels great about having large numbers of strangers see them in a state. I don't get why a load of people the same biological sex as you seeing you in a state is significantly better than a load of people the same biological sex and of the opposite biological as you sex seeing you in a state.

I mean, when my father and I got covered from head to toe in duck crap walking through Drayton Manor Park I don't recall thinking "If only there were no women or girls walking by this would be so much better!" Similarly, when my father was dying of a brain tumour in a hospice, he didn't seem overly distressed when a female nurse changed the nappy he was wearing.

I think what most people want when they dealing with a state they're in is privacy from everyone except those directly involved in helping them.

Well, the difference could be (just a wild arse guess ) that the menstruation accident is something sex specific, while being covered in duck crap is not?

I'm pretty sure the women on this forum can tell us if my guess is correct.

I really get the impression that a lot of the male posters here simply lack empathy for women.
As far as I am aware, only men here are arguing for dickhavers to be allowed in women only spaces, or have there been any women?

 

[d4m10n]

I don't get why a load of people the same biological sex as you seeing you in a state is significantly better than a load of people the same biological sex and of the opposite biological as you sex seeing you in a state.

Really? It seems obvious to me—as a non-menstruator—why someone would want other people who've already gone through it themselves.

I really get the impression that a lot of the male posters here simply lack empathy for women.

 

[d4m10n]

only men here are arguing for dickhavers to be allowed in women only spaces, or have there been any women?

I wouldn't read too much into that, given the observable gender imbalance at skeptic conventions.

 

[Georg]

I wouldn't read too much into that, given the observable gender imbalance at skeptic conventions.

I am aware that there is a disparity.
Still, all the women participating here would like to keep their rights.
Strange, isn't it?

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Really? It seems obvious to me—as a non-menstruator—why someone would want other people who've already gone through it themselves.

Care to give an estimate of how many people you would like to see you soil yourself because of prostate cancer, or help clean you up if you needed it? Do you have a strong sex preference?

Or is there something specifically awful about "women's problems", particularly "down below" that need to be kept under wraps? It's almost as if some men want women to feel shame about their bodies.

 

[Myriad]

Or is there something specifically awful about "women's problems", particularly "down below" that need to be kept under wraps? It's almost as if some men want women to feel shame about their bodies.

There do seem to be plenty of males who are grossed out by women's bodily functions and want them to be shamed and kept out of sight.

There also seem to be plenty of males who are fascinated by women's bodily functions and want to get as close as possible for a good look.

I'd recommend keeping both sorts out of women's toilets, but of course the decision should be up to the women.

 

[Ziggurat]

There do seem to be plenty of males who are grossed out by women's bodily functions and want them to be shamed and kept out of sight.

There are bodily functions of both sexes which are gross and should be kept out of sight. Having to do them isn't shameful, but purposefully displaying them is.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

There do seem to be plenty of males who are grossed out by women's bodily functions and want them to be shamed and kept out of sight.

There also seem to be plenty of males who are fascinated by women's bodily functions and want to get as close as possible for a good look.

I'd recommend keeping both sorts out of women's toilets, but of course the decision should be up to the women.

I agree.

Transsexual woman =/= Voyeur.

 

[d4m10n]

Still, all the women participating here would like to keep their rights.

If you mean legal rights, it's worth noting that "keep" isn't the proper verb in many jurisdictions.

Care to give an estimate of how many people you would like to see you soil yourself because of prostate cancer, or help clean you up if you needed it?

If I believed the embarrassing nature of soiling oneself was somehow gender specific, perhaps.

Or is there something specifically awful about "women's problems", particularly "down below" that need to be kept under wraps?

Have you tried asking a woman?

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

There are bodily functions of both sexes which are gross and should be kept out of sight. Having to do them isn't shameful, but purposefully displaying them is.

You must have been appalled when they switched from blue to red fluid on adverts for sanitary towels!

 

[ahhell]

I'm just saying thar unisex bathrooms solve the problem. So why not?

Cost is the primary reason. The infrastructure exists in most common spaces where bathrooms are communal and binary. Sure, if the place in question has bathrooms with a single stall and a door that locks, take the sign off and problem solved, and they should have done that years before folks were even thinking about trans folks. If it's a gym, school or what not with women's and men's room separate but with multiple stalls, that's a far more expensive fix. Particular if there are shower facilities and the like. Just changing the signage doesn't solve the conflict.

 

[Thermal]

Oh FFS. "That person is male and this is the room for females" end of discussion. Similarly, "that person is female and this is a space for males".

And this has been refuted a hundred times. Here in the States, the spaces are not 'for bio fe/males' with any law or precedent at all (very recent potty laws excepted).

That's really the weird thing about all this: the transgender people are asking for a return to the status quo, where historically, they have always been afforded access for generations, with no force of law stopping them.

Now, antitransers have pushed back and tried to deny the access they have always had. Yet the antitransers try to frame it as the transpeople demanding more. They aren't . They want what is suddenly being capreciously denied to them.

Your malign framing is far more likely to happen to a male with a transgender identity in a male space, simply because males gatekeep masculinity far tighter than anyone else.

I have no idea what this means. Some transwomen have always used the men's room. It gets shrugged off, mostly. Are you saying that transwomen are in greater danger of harassment in the men's room?

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

If I believed the embarrassing nature of soiling oneself was somehow gender specific, perhaps.

Have you tried asking a woman?

Clever reply, but disingenuous. I expected better.