Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Emily's Cat said:
And you complain about your posts being misrepresented, sheesh.
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No, i object to outright lying. There is a difference.
Emily's Cat said:
This is an absurd and downright malicious framing, and you know good and well that this is not the intent.
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You and others have said straight up that you are OK with allowing or tolerating some transwomen. Others have also said that if they pass well, no biggie.

While I'm lampooning a bit, it is the literal, factual standard set forth on this very page and many others.
Emily's Cat said:
If you can't take it, perhaps you might consider dishing it out just a bit less, eh?
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I can take it in spades, and don't mind some hyperbole or mocking directed at me at all. But this boy do hate outright lying.
 
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acbytesla said:
Yes, and this thread is hate. People that want to control others. They think they have a right to tell others how they should feel, think, and act.
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The people that want to control others are those that:
  • demand everyone else in the world must change our use of common language in order to suit their feelings
  • demand that other people pretend to perceive them as the sex they are not
  • demand that females surrender female-specific intimate spaces and let males use them at their whim
  • demand that female lesbians include males with transgender identities in their dating pool and consider having sex with their ladypenis
  • demand that female rape survivors submit to having an intimate exam performed by a male with a transgender identity, because asking for a real female hurts the male's feelings
  • tells rape survivors to reframe their trauma so that males can join in group support sessions where intimate details of their rapes are being recounted
  • demands that female athletes must celebrate being beaten by males who have transgender identities
  • advocates for violence against females who disagree with their demands
 
Thermal said:
No, i object to outright lying. There is a difference.
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Nobody has outright lied about you. At worst, you've sucked at explaining yourself very clearly, and you just keep contradicting your own views over and over and it gets confusing.
Thermal said:
You and others have said straight up that you are OK with allowing or tolerating some transwomen. Others have also said that if they pass well, no biggie.
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You're willfully misrepresenting this, Thermal. What I and others have said is that if we can't tell that someone is of the opposite sex, then we can't ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ tell. Just like if someone jaywalks at 2 am and there's nobody around to see them, they're not going to get reported to the police for doing something that literally nobody knows has happened.
 
Emily's Cat said:
So what I'll settle for is a rule that defines the spaces as being for those of each specified biological sex. That is the only approach that I can envision in the current environment that allows for penalization of those who break the rules. I settle for this with the full understanding that there will be some rulebreakers who get away with it...
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Do you want the females who pass as males to "get away with it" or do you want them to come back to female spaces and explain themselves (every time) to the other females who will no doubt challenge their presence in that space?
 
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smartcooky said:
If you want to discuss "Transmen are not men" make a thread for that
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Pull the other one.

Every thread I've created about gender issues already got folded back in here, including the ones about cisgender identity and non-binary identity.

Also (and I shouldn't have to keep pointing this out) the rule you proclaimed at #11,219 applies to everyone, including transmen. You should be willing to discuss the foreseeable consequences of implementing your desired solution.
 
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d4m10n said:
Do you want the females who pass as males to "get away with it" or do you want them to come back to female spaces and explain themselves (every time) to the other females who will no doubt challenge their presence in that space?
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It's like you didn't even bother to read my post with comprehension as a goal.
 
Emily's Cat said:
It's like you didn't even bother to read my post with comprehension as a goal.
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You didn't answer my question just now or in that post.

Saying that you have a "full understanding that there will be some rulebreakers who get away with it" doesn't tell us what you think the females who pass as males ought to do under the system that you are proposing. I'm guessing you want them to break the rules so that you don't have to bother challenging their presence (which is annoying and socially awkward) but that's just a guess.
 
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d4m10n said:
Are you for a total free-for-all as to locker rooms and restrooms, or do you also reserve the right to tell others how to act?
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I think this is the biggest non-issue on the planet. The idea of these strange people where they're not supposed to be. I think most public bathrooms should be unisex. Most bathrooms have private stalls in them. Everyone has to pee and everyone has to poop. So I don't give a ◊◊◊◊!
 
Somewhat OT but since there have been a few posts recently talking about trans-identifying females, here's a story out of Loudon County (yep, that one again), about two high-school-age boys who were suspended for two weeks for questioning why a girl was in their locker room. Apparently the transboy filmed some of the incident (which raises some obvious problems). There is a video at the link but it cuts to audio about 3 seconds in. We can't hear much (it mostly seems to be chattering going on the background, and there are several fairly long bleeps, so we can't tell what was actually said), and determine how objectionable their response was. I think it bears mentioning that boys can be modest and terrified of being seen nude by females. Maybe not to the same extent and mostly not for the same reason, but still.
 
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d4m10n said:
You say it is bad to "tell others how they should feel, think, and act" and yet you take the time to write out how you think people should behave and what they ought to do. Seems a bit oddly self-contradictory.
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I'm just saying thar unisex bathrooms solve the problem. So why not?
 
acbytesla said:
Yes, and this thread is hate. People that want to control others. They think they have a right to tell others how they should feel, think, and act.
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Yes, you're right, but not in the way you think.

On the pro-women side, none of us, not one, has denied transgender people the right to feel the way they do, or to think the way they do. The ONLY constraint as regards acting the way they want is when what they do abrogates or tramples on the rights of others.

But on the pro trans side, when those of us who are pro-women's rights say what we think or how we feel, you call us "transphobes", or "bigots", or "tranny- bashers". It is YOUR side of the debate that tries to control how we feel, and what we think and how we act, and you use the abovementioned invective and hate-fuelled pejoratives to describe us when we won't fall into your way of thinking. Its pure projection
 
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smartcooky said:
Well that makes you a transphobe and a bigot in the eyes of the Cult of Transgender Ideology... they absolutely DO NOT WANT unisex toilets - they have made that very clear!

... welcome to the TRA Targets Club!
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I don't see that. But whatever.
 
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