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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Meanwhile, the OSA is also providing an unnecessary and unwanted barrier to adults, for whom porn is completely legal.
The OSA isn't going nearly far enough and your post just reveals where society is generally at in this modern world. You chose freedom above pretty much all else.

Reckless on a unimaginable scale.
 
The OSA isn't going nearly far enough and your post just reveals where society is generally at in this modern world. You chose freedom above pretty much all else.
There are a bunch of people who would laugh uproariously at that suggestion.
Reckless on a unimaginable scale.
It's more reckless to go around making porn out to be something secret, and hidden, and therefore interesting, and desirable.
 
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Yeah I don't believe that for a moment. That report was written by old white men who don't understand the internet, and don't understand children.
Nothing substantial here - mere assertion. Why don't you try again?
 
Okay. You and they chose sexual freedom above any concerns for kids. Fact.
Knowledge is by far the best way of protecting children from any harm that might come from "accidentally stumbling across" pornography online. Secrecy is way more harmful. I say what I say out of concern for the welfare of children, and I have raised children to mature, well-grounded adults, so I know what I'm talking about.

This needs a response?
Not really.
 
Knowledge is by far the best way of protecting children from any harm that might come from "accidentally stumbling across" pornography online. Secrecy is way more harmful. I say what I say out of concern for the welfare of children, and I have raised children to mature, well-grounded adults, so I know what I'm talking about.
Society has put easy-access porn above any concerns for children's welfare. That is an uncomfortable, factual statement.
 
Yeah I don't believe that for a moment. That report was written by old white men who don't understand the internet, and don't understand children.
I challenge you to come up with some evidence the CCO is wrong. Your experience online isn't evidence - you aren't a child.

And are you an 'old white man'? - it's your phrase.
 
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According to Defend Young Minds:
Tor is a free app and easy to download. It gives anyone the key to the most horrific and dangerous content down in the depths of the Dark Web. But kids use it to get around internet filters, especially at school.
 
No, it hasn't. "Accidentally running across porn" isn't even something that routinely happens. Have you ever accidentally encountered porn in your routine internet activity? I haven't - not since the 90s which is where old white parliamentarians still think the internet is. Nobody "surfs the web" any more.

You are ageing with me. But the OSA does stop this kind of finding.

Kids look for porn because they're kids and they're curious, and they're even more curious about the things that are forbidden, and you know that. This is why the parents/guardians have to have a serious conversation with them about sex and sexuality as soon as it is practical to do so.
I agree. And yes they do but kids are kids, part of the training of kids is that they will do things they shouldn't do and have to have their learning reenforced by the parent.

That's not a good analogy. There isn't a VPN for gun control.
An analogy will never have a one to one correspondence - that's why it is an analogy in the first place. My point was that some controls are better than none at all.
All this is doing is putting extra steps in the way.

Yes - just like we do with every other aspect of human behaviour we don't want to promote.



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If the existence of porn, what it is and what it is not, and the existence of predators and how to recognise them -
if these things are in the open, known, and understood, then kids won't have to go behind their parents' backs. Ignorance and secrecy are dangerous. Knowledge is power.

Meanwhile, the OSA is also providing an unnecessary and unwanted barrier to adults, for whom porn is completely legal.
But they are not, so your solution doesn't work. The only solution that works is to not allow kids (under 16s in my view) access to an unfiltered internet. Meanwhile we have the OSA that starts to help the overall problem - and remember the OSA is not just about porn, it covers much more dangerous stuff.
 
Not in the UK it hasn't.
I acknowledge that the UK is at least trying - but they are up against a behemoth. It remans to be seen if a significant number of young people are actually protected.
 
Society has put easy-access porn above any concerns for children's welfare. That is an uncomfortable, factual statement.
Yes, which means that children should learn that fact, what it means, and what they can and should do about it. Education is the solution.

Explain what is funny.
In certain circles I am viewed as a vocal advocate of the nanny state. Take a look at some old gun control threads some time. I also argue for collectivism over individualism rather a lot. You saying that I have put individual freedom ahead of all other concerns is, quite frankly, hilarious.

I challenge you to come up with some evidence the CCO is wrong. Your experience online isn't evidence - you aren't a child.
Common sense says that when you're using shame and guilt to train your children to hide things from their parents, they are going to lie about their experiences. "Oh no, Mum, what you saw me looking at just now was totally an accident! I was actually looking for... uh... something else entirely and it just popped up there!"

And are you an 'old white man'? - it's your phrase.
Why yes, yes I am. I have raised two children to become smart, sexually active, mature adults. I have lived experience in these matters.
 
Yes, which means that children should learn that fact, what it means, and what they can and should do about it. Education is the solution.
That's quite an admission. Most here vehemently disagree with that assertion.
In certain circles I am viewed as a vocal advocate of the nanny state. Take a look at some old gun control threads some time. I also argue for collectivism over individualism rather a lot. You saying that I have put individual freedom ahead of all other concerns is, quite frankly, hilarious.
Understood.
Common sense says that when you're using shame and guilt to train your children to hide things from their parents, they are going to lie about their experiences. "Oh no, Mum, what you saw me looking at just now was totally an accident! I was actually looking for... uh... something else entirely and it just popped up there!"
Whilst I accept not all the 38% will have been truthful, I think you are going to need a bit more evidence than that. My experience (as an adult) is that I also rarely come across explicit material. I think the nearest was on FBook because I joined a filmmaking group. I think children's experiences will be different and their curiosity will make them much more vulnerable.
Why yes, yes I am. I have raised two children to become smart, sexually active, mature adults. I have lived experience in these matters.
But you have not remotely shown that the CCO is out of touch.

The mass sexualisation of a whole generation of young people is one of the greatest scandals of the modern world.
 
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer:
The mark of a civilised society is how it treats its children.


Currently, civilised society is showing porn to kids.
 
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