Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Manger Douse said:
It was much harder because before "Transwomen are women" members of said group couldn't sneak into women's safe spaces under the cover of trans
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Yes they could and did. Now TERF vigilantes are watching and throwing those who don't 'pass' out, all good, right?
 
Manger Douse said:
The group demand no gatekeeping and you defend them. This demand for no gatekeeping is why this harassment is on the increase
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Who was making demands at this Buffolo Wild Wings joint? Or do you mean this workers bigoted twitter feeds convinced her to harrass and humiliate female customers?
 
Thermal said:
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Who was making demands at this Buffolo Wild Wings joint? Or do you mean this workers bigoted twitter feeds convinced her to harrass and humiliate female customers?
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The trans rights movement your defending demands no gatekeeping on who accesses women's safe spaces so they are the ones responsible for this harassment
 
Manger Douse said:
No they didn't and its not good. We should go back to the days when said group couldn't sneak into women's safe spaces under the cover of trans
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Transsexual women have existed a long time. Why do you think they weren't using female toilets before TERF vigilantes started policing entry?
 
Tomboy said:
You missed the second part of my comment.
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No, I got it. But it doesn't work to say "the trannies made me do it" when they absolutely had nothing to do with it.

This worker shows absolutely nothing but bigotry. Not even apologizing to the teen when the workers foolishness was laid bare.

The teen was not caught in the crossfire. It was one sided, utterly unprovoked firing.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
To paraphrase the NRA: Dicks don't harm people. People harm people.

ETA: The analogy of skin colour and sex is not flawed in the context it was given. Only by changing a characteristic (sex) to a physical object (dick) does it not work.
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The oh so progressive one paraphrasing the NRA now?
That's quite desperate.........
People with guns have more means to do harm than people without.
That's why it happens more often than in countries with stricter gun laws.

People with dicks have more means to harm (rape) women than people without.
But I think you know you lost the point, so I won't engage further.

The analogy is flawed.
Darker skin tone is not more dangerous to anyone than being yellow, white, whatever.
Being male is.
And taking rights away from women is still misogynistic.
 
Manger Douse said:
The trans rights movement your defending demands no gatekeeping on who accesses women's safe spaces so they are the ones responsible for this harassment
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You're saying with a presumably straight face that when bigots go a-bigotting, it's undeniably someone else's fault? You've jumped the stupid shark.
 
Manger Douse said:
No refutation, just insults
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Well the refutation is not much more genteel. You're saying that when one of your... persuasion... does something utterly douchey, it's not their fault, but the opposition's fault... who were not even there or had anything to do with it.

By your reasoning (and quite literally), a racist who foolishly attacks a white person is not at fault. It's the black people's fault.
 
Thermal said:
Well the refutation is not much more genteel. You're saying that when one of your... persuasion... does something utterly douchey, it's not their fault, but the opposition's fault... who were not even there or had anything to do with it.

By your reasoning (and quite literally), a racist who foolishly attacks a white person is not at fault. It's the black people's fault.
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They did these things you consider douchey due to the actions of a movement you support - the movement to allow all men access to the safe spaces that women go to to try and avoid rape
 
Georg said:
The oh so progressive one paraphrasing the NRA now?
That's quite desperate.........
People with guns have more means to do harm than people without.
That's why it happens more often than in countries with stricter gun laws.

People with dicks have more means to harm (rape) women than people without.
But I think you know you lost the point, so I won't engage further.

The analogy is flawed.
Darker skin tone is not more dangerous to anyone than being yellow, white, whatever.
Being male is.
And taking rights away from women is still misogynistic.
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How is simply being male more dangerous? Was this guy more dangerous because he was male?
 
Tomboy said:
Who said anything about "trannies"
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Who are you referring to then that took control of this worker and made them commit these offenses? You cant really excuse an individual bigot by sweeping your arm and saying they are excused because society made them do it.
Tomboy said:
(your word, not mine)?
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I've been using the term sardonically for a while now. But in fairness, you're right, that's not your subtextual position, in the way that it is for some others here. Mea culpa.
 
Manger Douse said:
They did these things you consider douchey due to the actions of a movement you support - the movement to allow all men access to the safe spaces that women go to to try and avoid rape
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"They made me do it", when they were not involved, remains a ridiculous position.

No, you can't harrass and intimidate an individual because of some random third party's social positions. This worker can only act on what's in front of them and take responsibility for their own bigotry to a cis teen.
 
Manger Douse said:
They did these things you consider douchey due to the actions of a movement you support - the movement to allow all men access to the safe spaces that women go to to try and avoid rape
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No, the person acted because they mistook a biological woman for a transsexual woman. For decades up to that moment, transsexual women have been using female toilets. Now TERF vigilantes feel empowered to question anyone they don't think 'passes'. Heck, Rolfe even joked about this earlier in the thread. Apparently her butch-looking friend thinks it's no big deal and laughs it off.

Seems to me biological women better make sure they look like proper women(TM) if they want to avoid questioning by the TERF Gestapo!
 
Thermal said:
"They made me do it", when they were not involved, remains a ridiculous position.

No, you can't harrass and intimidate an individual because of some random third party's social positions. This worker can only act on what's in front of them and take responsibility for their own bigotry to a cis teen.
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Women can defend themselves against rape in any way they chose and this is not some random third party. Before "transwomen are women" this didn't happen - "transwomen are women" is to blame
 
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