Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Manger Douse]

I didn't say all.

Hell, most guys would likey prefer a female just because she likely has smaller diameter fingers.

You said both sexes would prefer a woman to do this - that is literally you saying all

 

[Thermal]

No, that's the kind of society you get when women are deprived of the right to police their own sex segregated spaces, and what should be a safe, sex segregated space no longer is.

There was no one else in the segregated restroom. A female was doing the policing. This is exactly what the anti-trans side advocates.

 

[Thermal]

You said both sexes would prefer a woman to do this - that is literally you saying all

I learned that from the dip ◊◊◊◊ McDonalds signage debate. One in 42,000 instances suffices to make a broad sweeping statement.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Clutching at straws toothbrushes now?
Maybe you can find an example, but sure not as many women are attacked in toilets with toothbrushes and biros and screwdrivers as are sexually attacked.

You did not comment on the "harm by skin color"thing,
I wonder why?
Have you realized that the analogy is flawed?

You also did not really justify taking away rights of half of the population.
Yup, misogynistic.

To paraphrase the NRA: Dicks don't harm people. People harm people.

ETA: The analogy of skin colour and sex is not flawed in the context it was given. Only by changing a characteristic (sex) to a physical object (dick) does it not work.

 

[Thermal]

I can't find many stories of this happening before "Transwomen are women" became a thing. The story in the other thread was from yesterday

That's what I said. The bigots are flexing without shame now. And they are apparently pretty stupid.

Note there were no trans people even involved.

 

[Manger Douse]

I learned that from the dip ◊◊◊◊ McDonalds signage debate. One in 42,000 instances suffices to make a broad sweeping statement.

A Freudian slip because as I said, you're projecting your mans opinion and this is why you won't understand a woman's point of view

 

[d4m10n]

I feel comfortable saying it's a mix.

Alas, I cannot tell what "it" is pointing to here. Gender identity?

So I'm inclined to think we clock sex when physically obvious, but "like that sex" when not as in your face.

I think we're probably performing the same binary classification task, only with less certainty.

 

[Manger Douse]

That's what I said. The bigots are flexing without shame now. And they are apparently pretty stupid.

Note there were no trans people even involved.

And as I said, before members of the group that commits 99% of rape demanded access for all of them to the places where women try and hide from rape this wasn't a problem

 

[Thermal]

And as I said, before members of the group that commits 99% of rape demanded access to the places where women try and hide from rape this wasn't a problem

The group, if you mean males, demands no access whatsoever. A small fraction of a percent that feels they are women do.

And again, no males were involved, nor does this resteraunt report any problems with male intrusion to the womens restroom.

This was a lone bigot doing what she wanted to do, hateful and disrespectful to women that it was. That's no one else's fault except maybe the other bigots that make her feel she can do this now.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

And as I said, before members of the group that commits 99% of rape demanded access for all of them to the places where women try and hide from rape this wasn't a problem

...because people didn't notice or care about those they thought were the wrong sex going into a toilet?

 

[Thermal]

A Freudian slip because as I said, you're projecting your mans opinion and this is why you won't understand a woman's point of view

...?

 

[Manger Douse]

The group, if you mean males, demands no access whatsoever. A small fraction of a percent that feels they are women are.

And again, no males were involved, nor does this resteraunt report any problems with access.

This was a lone bigot doing what she wanted to do, hateful and disrespectful to women that it was. That's no one else's fault except maybe the other bigots that make her feel she can do this now.

The group demand no gatekeeping and you defend them. This demand for no gatekeeping is why this harassment is on the increase

 

[Manger Douse]

...because people didn't notice or care about those they thought were the wrong sex going into a toilet?

Because recently members of the group that commits 99% of rape demanded access for all of them to the places where women try and hide from rape

 

[Manger Douse]

...?

You said all men would prefer to be searched by a woman, not because of anything that happened in this thread at McDonalds - you said it because YOU would prefer to be searched by a woman

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Because recently members of the group that commits 99% of rape demanded access for all of them to the places where women try and hide from rape

So before that it was much easier for members of the group that commits 99% of rape to sneak into the ladies and rape someone. Sounds to me like you should be thanking transsexual women for making people more vigilant and women safer in the toilet.

 

[Tomboy]

There was no one else in the segregated restroom. A female was doing the policing. This is exactly what the anti-trans side advocates.

You missed the second part of my comment. When what should be a safe, sex segregated space no longer is, some women feel like they have to be extra vigilant and defensive because biological males now have the right to enter and biological females have no recourse to force them to leave once they do. Those women may conclude that it's better to deny them entry in the first place whenever possible. In their zeal to protect and try to reclaim what used to be a safe space, sometimes another woman gets caught as collateral damage.

This is a situation that has drastically escalated as more and more formerly sex segregated spaces designated for women no longer are. I won't say that it never happened in the past, but I've never seen it happen and I say that as a woman who spent a decade or more in the late 1980s and 1990s wearing men's clothes, cutting my hair short and occasionally being mistaken for being a guy.

Edited for clarification.

 

[Manger Douse]

So before that it was much easier for members of the group that commits 99% of rape to sneak into the ladies and rape someone. Sounds to me like you should be thanking transsexual women for making people more vigilant and women safer in the toilet.

No. Before "Transwomen are women" it was much harder for said group to sneak into the ladies room under the cover of trans. I won't be thanking anyone

 

[Ziggurat]

I think gender is a useful and valid construct

It is not useful, and as for "valid", that depends on which definition you're even using (and there are so many to choose from).

that is probably encoded in the brain.

You are either basing this on bad science which has already been debunked, or pulling it out of your ass.

For those of us where it matches our biological sex it is invisible to us.

You know what's not invisible? Sex.

Not even when you put a dress and a wig on a man.

How much of this is nature and how much is nurture I don't know.

This question is relevant to the issue of how to treat transgender youth (and the explosion of that cohort suggests it's very much not nature in a lot of cases). It is not relevant to the issue of access.

No, there isn't. You're making this up. Unisex toilets work just fine.

For who? They're fine for you. But your male privilege is invisible to you.

But here's the kicker: nobody wants unisex toilets. Not the conservatives, not the liberal gender critical folks, and not even the TRA's. So unisex toilets as a universal solution aren't going to happen. Complain all you want, but the political reality is that toilets will remain largely segregated. The only question is how we're going to do that segregation. You have presented no reason to prefer gender segregation to sex segregation.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

No. Before "Transwomen are women" it was much harder for said group to sneak into the ladies room under the cover of trans. I won't be thanking anyone

Why was it much harder? Before, TERF vigilantes weren't looking at everyone going in and out of the female toilet. Transsexual women have made it safer for biological women going into the toilets. This is what you want, right? Women feeling empowered to demand those who don't 'pass' out of their "safe spaces".

 

[Manger Douse]

Why was it much harder? Before, TERF vigilantes weren't looking at everyone going in and out of the female toilet. Transsexual women have made it safer for biological women going into the toilets. This is what you want, right? Women feeling empowered to demand those who don't 'pass' out of their "safe spaces".

It was much harder because before "Transwomen are women" members of said group couldn't sneak into women's safe spaces under the cover of trans