Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

[Numbers]

I have to laugh every time I think about Mignini's "double body switch" re Narducci and bragging about how people came up to him in the street to congratulate him on his fantastic accomplishment. I bet they were big, strong men with tears in their eyes. LOL

Let's not forget that Napoleoni, Zugarini and several of Monica's subordinates were convicted of misusing their police powers to harass the child psychologist for personal reasons. Or that Comodi was demoted and transferred for her own misbehavior. Or that the ECHR found police had violated several of Knox's rights.

Yes, and two of those violations of her rights, denial of a lawyer during the interrogation (violation of Article 6.3c) and failure to provide a fair interpreter (Violation of Article 6.3e) resulted in the ECHR stating that each had caused a Violation of Article 6.1, the right to a fair trial, in the following conclusions (Google translation, my emphasis, and words in square brackets are my clarificatio):

166. The Court therefore considers that the Government has failed to demonstrate that the restriction of the applicant's access to legal aid during the hearing on 6 November 2007 at 5:45 a.m. did not irremediably affect the fairness of the trial as a whole.

167. In view of the foregoing, Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (c) of the Convention has been infringed in the present case.

and

187. In the Court's view, this initial defect [of not providing a fair interpreter] therefore had repercussions on other rights which, while distinct from the one alleged to have been violated, are closely linked to it, and compromised the fairness of the proceedings as a whole (Baytar, cited above, § 55, 14 October 2014).

188. In light of the foregoing, Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (e) of the Convention has been infringed in the present case.

My terminology of "not providing a fair interpreter" is meant to be identical in meaning to the CoM & ECHR terminology of "inadequate assistance provided to the applicant by an interpreter during the police questioning". Here's the CoM's Case Description:

The case concerns the lack of an investigation into allegations of ill-treatment by the police in 2007, during the questioning of the applicant, a young woman of foreign nationality and language, subsequently convicted for malicious accusation in the context of criminal proceedings concerning the murder and rape of her flat mate (violation of Article 3 in its procedural limb).

The case also concerns the restriction on the applicant’s access to legal assistance during her questioning by the police, which the European Court found to have had irretrievably impaired the overall fairness of the proceedings (violation of Art. 6 §§ 1 and 3 c)) and the inadequate assistance provided to the applicant by an interpreter during the police questioning (violation of Art. 6 §§ 1 and 3 e)).

Sources:
https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-189422

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[Vixen]

When I pointed out false claims about several pieces of evidence which the prosecution never mentioned or mentioned in any motivation report, Vixen tries to explain her lies by claiming judges decided not to use them in motivation reports. Are we seriously expected to believe that Amanda's DNA on the clasp, size 37 footprints, the bloody imprint matching Raffaele's knife and Amanda's hair in Meredith's room would not be crucial evidence. Again why would you need to constantly lie about non existent evidence if there was solid evidence as Vixen constantly boasts?

The size 37 ladies trainer was not attributed by Massei in the MR to Knox because the ASICS shoe it matched was never recovered. Likewise, the hairs went missing. But the forensic scientists have the photographs and the certainty of their presence was inventorised. That proves that the facts established at trial were only the ones that were 100% PROVEN. In the disputed issue of what time Sollecito called the police, Massei let him have the benefit of a doubt. However, Nencini revisited the issue and established beyond a shadow of a doubt by use of CCTV footage and police testimony that Batistelli and Marzi DID arrive BEFORE Sollecito rang up the Carabinieri. This tells you the courts did NOT make up facts to 'please Mignini'. Evidence in a criminal court of law has to be of a very high standard, close to perfect, otherwise it won't be accepted as a fact, as proven by a true and fair view of the aforesaid matters.

 

[Vixen]

100% WRONG.
From the FBI Forensic Science Communication:

From Science Direct:


From Research Gate:

Natural blonde is most certainly NOT the same as dyed blonde in appearance or under the microscope.

But we were not talking about the HAIR SHAFT. If the hairs included the hair shaft, it would have been a very easy matter to obtain DNA from them. Hair splits you know. Most hair lying around is split off hair. As for heritability, yes fair hair tends to be finer than darker hair but that doesn't mean that a strand of fairish hair found at a crime scene means it came from a fair haired person. A piece of bleached hair looks exactly like blonde hair in terms of colour, i.e., little or no melanin. Knox' hair is thick but that doesn't mean the golden coloured hair found clutched in Mez' hand and across her bag were not Knox'. Your claim they belonged to some Spanish girls Guede knew is laughable. The lengths you go to to deny the obvious presence of Knox in Mez' room when she was murdered. Plus her lamp on Mez' floor, which Knox pretended in court not to have noticed was 'missing' from her room, causing some degree of expressed incredulity from Massei, given it was her only source of electric light.

 

[Vixen]

False. I never said or implied any such thing. THAT was YOU:



And he's right. He needed someone to fight the dissemination of lies and misinformation being produced in the media...much of it coming from the police.

LOL. If mis- and disinformation was coming from anyone, it was the police and prosecution. For example:

1. Knox had sex with seven men WHILE IN ITALY: False.

2. Mignini: "It is reasonable to hypothesize that she herself felt the need to eliminate the traces of her presence from an apartment in which she lived." False. No evidence of any attempt remove traces of herself were ever presented in court. The print expert, Privitera, said he saw no evidence suggesting any attempt was made to remove evidence.

3. Police: A photo of a supposedly 'blood covered' bathroom was released with no explanation that the pink color was NOT a chemical reaction to blood. That photo vs actual police photo:
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4. Raffaele called 112 after the postales arrived: False. Even Massei found otherwise.
5. The Harry Potter German edition book was found in Amanda's apartment showing she lied when she said they read it at RS's apt.: False. The police video shows it at RS's apartment like she said.

That's only a sample.

ETA: Let's not forget the Knox "admitted she was there" lie when it was clear and accepted by the court that she was referring to Raffaele's, not the cottage. THAT could only have come from someone who had access to her recorded prison visits with her parents.



You have ZERO evidence of any of the above. Assfacts.


By YOUR unsupported by any evidence account. Another assfact.

And your adopting Meredith's familiar name of "Mez" is not welcome with me.
Your constant misrepresentation of what I say is not welcome either.

None of this is relevant other than the fact Nencini established as a fact the carabinieri were called AFTER the the police had already arrived.

 

[Vixen]

That's the same thing all the women who write love letters to serial killers in prison say. It's remarkable how often "interest in criminology" translates to "hot for the bad boys."

I certainly have no respect for people who treat heinous criminals as celebrities. You are looking at Team Pro-Victim here.

 

[Vixen]

I have to laugh every time I think about Mignini's "double body switch" re Narducci and bragging about how people came up to him in the street to congratulate him on his fantastic accomplishment. I bet they were big, strong men with tears in their eyes. LOL

Let's not forget that Napoleoni, Zugarini and several of Monica's subordinates were convicted of misusing their police powers to harass the child psychologist for personal reasons. Or that Comodi was demoted and transferred for her own misbehavior. Or that the ECHR found police had violated several of Knox's rights.

None of this 'whataboutism' cancels out the truth of Meredith Kercher's murder.

 

[Welshman]

I have to laugh every time I think about Mignini's "double body switch" re Narducci and bragging about how people came up to him in the street to congratulate him on his fantastic accomplishment. I bet they were big, strong men with tears in their eyes. LOL

Let's not forget that Napoleoni, Zugarini and several of Monica's subordinates were convicted of misusing their police powers to harass the child psychologist for personal reasons. Or that Comodi was demoted and transferred for her own misbehavior. Or that the ECHR found police had violated several of Knox's rights.

If the notion Amanda was railroaded by Mignini was a myth as Vixen claims, how do you explain the fact Mignini was prepared to prosecute people due to absurd theories about body swaps.

 

[TruthCalls]

Good lord, Vixen, you do get tedious. You completely skipped over every lie or misrepresentation, as noted in my post to you, and instead you hatch another batch of lies and misrepresentations.

The courts concluded that Knox let Guede in. She met him in the basketball court remember, by her own account.

The courts also had ZERO evidence of Amanda letting Guede in. Courts are NOT supposed to SPECULATE.. remember. This is what got them in trouble in the first place. Her interrogation statement was nullified, so no, I don't remember her saying she met him.

Both Guede's and her DNA are on Mez' bra fabric, causing counsel to walk.

Amanda's DNA was NOT on the bra fabric.

If the rent money was missing before the murder then one can see it could be a cause for a row.

No evidence money was missing before the murder, that's just more baseless speculation on your part. However, as noted in my prior response, which you ignored, GUEDE is the one who had no money, no job, and no family to turn to, so it's rather obvious who was the one with a motive to steal. He stole the money and then added Amanda stealing it into his story. I wouldn't have thought anyone would be sufficiently naive to fall for this, but you have proven me wrong.

Two strands of long hair was found in the murder room: one gripped in Mez' hand and the other across the top of her bag.

No hair evidence was introduced in court, and no hair found at the scene was connected to Amanda. Keep fishing....

A ladies size 37 footprint in the victim's blood IS on the pillow under the body.

The print was a partial of Guede's shoe, as proven by the defense. No ladies size 37 footprint (sic) was found in Meredith's room.

The burglary was staged AFTER the murder - see scraps of paper scattered over Filomena's room also on top of the body.

The burglary wasn't staged, and is more speculation by the prosecution and the courts. Physical evidence proves it was real. Papers scattered about is common after a violent assault. Duh.. proves nothing.

Sollecito's DNA IS on Mez' bra clasp and HIS knife is outlined on the sheet.

The outline of the knife on the sheet does NOT match the kitchen knife. Not even close. And Raffaele's DNA was deemed unreliable by court appointed experts because the SP acted like idiots when they collected the clasp.

Knox' lamp IS on Mez' floor. Probably the reason RS attempted to break the door down earlier because it could be seen through the keyhole.

Amanda's lamp in Meredith's room is irrelevant, which is why it was not brought up in court. As for your baseless 'theory' of why Raffaele was trying to get into Meredith's room, all I can say is you're very good of proving you are NOT "impartial, neutral and entirely objective" as you claim.

AK's 'sheath moment'. Studies do show that people cover the deceased faces of those they knew whilst alive.

Studies also tell us there is no predictable pattern wrt covering the victim... just more fantasy narrative by you.

I can't imagine a random burglar would bother.

And you are so well schooled on the behavior of burglars who murder... who knew?

The claim there is no sign of the pair in the murder room is a PR hoax.

Really? Then cite the evidence that puts "the pair" in Meredith's bedroom.

Micheli and Giordani decreed that Guede was an accessory but not the killer. A fact doesn't go away by putting a polished fairytale in its place.

A judicial "fact", to be clear, and there is ZERO evidence to support this. This is precisely the crap M/B tore apart in their MR regarding the lower courts. You can not speculate, you must rule by indisputable evidence, nothing more. There is NO evidence that would disprove Guede is the long killer, and given the absolute lack of evidence of either of them in Meredith's room, the court had no business offering an opinion on this, let alone allowing it to become a judicial fact.

But you know what, you're correct, facts don't go away by putting an unpolished fairytale in it's place. There is NO EVIDENCE of either Amanda or Raffaele in Meredith's bedroom, where the murder took place. This is a FACT, and it's now a judicial fact as well since this was the basis for their definitive acquittal.

 

[Vixen]

As I've mentioned before, I did not look at the Knox thread(s) for many years because one of the Kercher family was a colleague and it was all a bit too painfully close.

But having known this place over many years I have to say, honestly, the above sounds like paranoia. Now that we have such an excellent Search facility I'd be interested to look back if you can remember any examples of members being banned for what they saw as simply supporting Meredith Kercher.

I am not interested in navel gazing. I was setting out the fact that if I can see 2 + 2 = 4, then no amount of special pleading, emojis, name-calling, attempts at personal shaming, etc, can intimidate me into saying something I can see is not correct is correct. A fact is a fact and remains so. I don't know why people are taken in by PR spin. I am assuming it is because they never followed the case in the first place and are happy to transfer responsibility of their own duty of care to the PR spinners.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I am not interested in navel gazing. I was setting out the fact that if I can see 2 + 2 = 4, then no amount of special pleading, emojis, name-calling, attempts at personal shaming, etc, can intimidate me into saying something I can see is not correct is correct. A fact is a fact and remains so. I don't know why people are taken in by PR spin. I am assuming it is because they never followed the case in the first place and are happy to transfer responsibility of their own duty of care to the PR spinners.

That wasn't what I was replying about. You made a claim of severe historical bullying by moderators, both of you and of other members who supported the same view as you, and their being hounded out of the forum to make it look as if your view was not generally supported. Now you seem reluctant to support that claim.

That was the point I replied to. Not the bit about your stubbornness, which is indisputable. Nor about your liking for ascribing stupid motives to anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[Vixen]

Good lord, Vixen, you do get tedious. You completely skipped over every lie or misrepresentation, as noted in my post to you, and instead you hatch another batch of lies and misrepresentations.

The courts also had ZERO evidence of Amanda letting Guede in. Courts are NOT supposed to SPECULATE.. remember. This is what got them in trouble in the first place. Her interrogation statement was nullified, so no, I don't remember her saying she met him.

Amanda's DNA was NOT on the bra fabric.

No evidence money was missing before the murder, that's just more baseless speculation on your part. However, as noted in my prior response, which you ignored, GUEDE is the one who had no money, no job, and no family to turn to, so it's rather obvious who was the one with a motive to steal. He stole the money and then added Amanda stealing it into his story. I wouldn't have thought anyone would be sufficiently naive to fall for this, but you have proven me wrong.

No hair evidence was introduced in court, and no hair found at the scene was connected to Amanda. Keep fishing....

The print was a partial of Guede's shoe, as proven by the defense. No ladies size 37 footprint (sic) was found in Meredith's room.

The burglary wasn't staged, and is more speculation by the prosecution and the courts. Physical evidence proves it was real. Papers scattered about is common after a violent assault. Duh.. proves nothing.

The outline of the knife on the sheet does NOT match the kitchen knife. Not even close. And Raffaele's DNA was deemed unreliable by court appointed experts because the SP acted like idiots when they collected the clasp.

Amanda's lamp in Meredith's room is irrelevant, which is why it was not brought up in court. As for your baseless 'theory' of why Raffaele was trying to get into Meredith's room, all I can say is you're very good of proving you are NOT "impartial, neutral and entirely objective" as you claim.

Studies also tell us there is no predictable pattern wrt covering the victim... just more fantasy narrative by you.

And you are so well schooled on the behavior of burglars who murder... who knew?

Really? Then cite the evidence that puts "the pair" in Meredith's bedroom.

A judicial "fact", to be clear, and there is ZERO evidence to support this. This is precisely the crap M/B tore apart in their MR regarding the lower courts. You can not speculate, you must rule by indisputable evidence, nothing more. There is NO evidence that would disprove Guede is the long killer, and given the absolute lack of evidence of either of them in Meredith's room, the court had no business offering an opinion on this, let alone allowing it to become a judicial fact.

But you know what, you're correct, facts don't go away by putting an unpolished fairytale in it's place. There is NO EVIDENCE of either Amanda or Raffaele in Meredith's bedroom, where the murder took place. This is a FACT, and it's now a judicial fact as well since this was the basis for their definitive acquittal.

You are quite wrong. Marasca-Bruno's final verdict and as written in their Motivational Report says very clearly that Knox substituted the name Patrik for that of Guede, whom she was covering up for.

Re the DNA of Guede and Knox on the bra clasp, even the defence scientific experts said this was so:

At Rudy Guede’s fast-track trial in 2008, Sollecito’s lawyers dropped something of bombshell by informing the court that one of their defence experts Professor Vinci claimed Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp.

This fact was quite widely reported in the English media at the time.

<snip>

I don’t recall ever seeing any mention of Professor Vinci’s findings in any articles in the US media. It seems that David Marriott brushed this inconvenient fact under the carpet. ~ Harry Rag

<snip>

Professor Vinci devotes four pages of his official court report - pages 9-12 - explaining why he believes Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp. He thinks the peaks defined by Dr. Stefanoni as "stutter bands" were actually the genetic profiles of Knox and Guede.

Here is his conclusion on pages 11-12.

'in particulari questi profili genetici risultano compatibili con alcuni marcatori attributi a Amanda Knox e Rudy Guede'

'in particular these genetic profiles are compatible with some markers attributed to Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede'.

You can read his detailed analysis here:

Murder of Meredith Kercher
Considerations on the results of the genetic analysis of trace 165-B

http://www.themurderofmeredithkerch...Consultant-Defense-Vinci-DNA-results-165B.pdf

There are couple of points that should make you pause for thought: (1) Professor Vinci was a defence expert, so he wouldn’t really want to express an opinion that implicated Sollecito’s co-defendant in Meredith’s murder and (2) Professor Garofano agrees that Amanda Knox’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp. He gives a detailed explanation why in Darkness Descending.

”Look at the electropherogram and compare the three. Of course, Meredith’s DNA is overwhelmingly present, but look at this. If we go along the graph line, yes we have a lot of Raffaele too, but in the first locus we have eleven and twelve STRs, which is the same as in Amanda’s DNA profile, twenty-nine and thirty X remember - one from the father and one from the mother - in the second, eight, and eleven in the third, also the same as Amanda’s DNA profile, maybe a fifteen in the fifth...look, ten out of 15 loci have peaks that correspond to Amanda DNA’s profile. The hypothesis is that Amanda also touched the bra clasp.

My conclusion is that the bra clasp certainly works as a piece of evidence - it is a strong clue against the suspects Amanda and Raffaele. The RFU number is high enough. So the result is perfect.” ~ Darkness Descending

Here are the charts showing Knox and Guede's DNA on the bra clasp and fabric.

<snip>

According to the authors of Darkness Descending, Dr Stefanoni also thought Amanda Knox’s partial DNA profile was on Meredith’s bra clasp.

“Two different graphs had been drawn from the material extracted from the bra clasp, one for the cloth and one for the bent hook. The cloth clearly indicated Meredith, and only Meredith. But the hook showed at least three peaks for every locus. Each peak had a little number by it, which indicated the number of repeats in the sample of that particular molecule. The numbers indicated the distinguishing features of the individual who had touched the bra clasp. The numbers rang out.

“Stefanoni spelled it out ‘Locus D8S1179,13,10,5 - yes, this works for Sollecito, Meredith and Amanda. Locus D18S51, D19S433, TH01, FGA - Sollecito and Meredith plus an unknown person.”

The police scientist called out all sixteen loci and after each the numbers set next to the peaks. They fit perfectly with Raffaele Sollecito and partially with Amanda Knox - DNA from both of them was on the bra clasp. End of story, they felt.

“Stefanoni was pleased. This was the first strong evidence they had against Raffaele Sollecito. The presence of Amanda Knox was a very reassuring bonus.”

After reading Professor Vinci’s reasons for believing Amanda Knox’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp in his official court report, you’ll see they are essentially the same as Dr Stefanoni’s. They mention the same Locus numbers.

Apparently, Professor Vincenzo Pascali, Sollecito's chief forensic consultant, also found Knox's DNA on Meredith's bra.

“Vincenzo Pascali, the chief forensic consultant who was set to give expert testimony about the possible contamination of the bra clasp, walked off the case last month, reportedly leaving a €50,000 bill. Back in September, Pascali, who declined to comment for this story, hinted that the clasp also contained Knox’s DNA.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/will-knoxs-boyfriend-sacrifice-himself

I think we can safely infer from Professor Pascali’s refusal to deny that Amanda Knox’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp that he thinks it was. It’s also telling that he stopped representing Sollecito without giving any explanation. Why would he walk off a case where he was being paid a fortune? Does he think the DNA evidence implicates Knox and Sollecito in Meredith’s murder?

Some conclusions

It’s clear that forensic science isn’t like mathematics where there are no alternative interpretations. Forensic scientists have to interpret the test results and sometimes there isn’t a consensus.

Dr Stefanoni and Professor Balding attach no importance to the partial LCN DNA profiles on Meredith’s bra clasp.

Professor Vinci thinks Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp, but he claims it was contaminated.

Professor Garofano also thinks Amanda Knox’s DNA was on Meredith bra clasp and regards it as a strong clue against her. He thinks she touched it. In other words, he thinks she was involved in the stripping of Meredith.

The fact Professor Garofano thinks Knox’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp and that it’s a strong clue against her gives me pause for thought because he is one of Italy’s leading DNA experts and he has no financial incentive to promote a particular theory - unlike Professor Vinci who had no choice, but to claim the bra clasp was contaminated.

We repeatedly see the same Amanda Knox - Raffaele Sollecito - Rudy Guede combination in the tragic case.

All three lied repeatedly to the police.

All three are implicated by the DNA evidence.

All three are implicated by the bloody footprints at the cottage because they matched their foot sizes.

Let’s assume for a moment that Professor Vinci is right and Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guede’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp.

Is it really an amazing coincidence that their DNA was found on Meredith’s bra clasp?

Was every single piece of DNA evidence against the two white people contaminated? ~ HR

 

[Disbelief]

I go by what the courts found tried and tested at the trial and appeal. Italy is a right wing 'racist' anti-African migrant country so you cannot claim they were 'Guede-lovers' to use another poster's revolting Jim Crow-style terminology. The courts found as a fact there were multiple assailants - facts based on at least two pathology examinations - given the 42 wounds including many stab wounds and flicks and almost zero defence wounds showing SOMEONE was restraining Mez from behind (rather like the Manson killer, Susan Atkins, who didn't actually stab the victim but was just as guilty for forcibly holding Abigail's arms behind her back whilst the other woman did); the different sized knives used, the dragging the body by the hair and repositioning it some time later; the factual staged burglary, which as a finding of fact, occurred after the murder. We can also note the perp/perps returned later to clean up, carefully leaving Guede's own remains untouched but as often happens, unwittingly leaving theirs behind also. Knox probably reasoned it didn't matter, as she lived there. So the idea the high level Italian courts were all 'Guede-lovers' and 'Amanda haters' is the ridiculously childish view we have come to expect from you.

Bolding mine. We know this is a lie, since they have been exonerated.

 

[Vixen]

Bolding mine. We know this is a lie, since they have been exonerated.

They were acquitted by the Supreme Court, which doesn't weigh evidence or mess with the facts found by the lower courts. There was no point in Marasca-Bruno sending it back down to the Merits/Appeal court because, hey, a fact remains a fact, right? Can't be pissed about with. Paris is the capital of France is a fact. No amount of arguing can change a fact. Do you understand that? Marasca-Bruno reiterate Knox was definitely at the cottage as of the time of the murder, did wash the murder victim's blood from her hands, the burglary was staged, Knox did criminally commit a calumny against Lumumba and subvert the course of justice in order to cover up for Guede. All of this remains factual and 100% proven.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

If a court delves into speculation and comes up with a decision that the sun orbits the earth, then that is not a fact.

 

[Vixen]

If a court delves into speculation and comes up with a decision that the sun orbits the earth, then that is not a fact.

That wouldn't be a 'decision'. And BTW all decisions by a judge can be appealed against.

 

[Disbelief]

They were acquitted by the Supreme Court, which doesn't weigh evidence or mess with the facts found by the lower courts. There was no point in Marasca-Bruno sending it back down to the Merits/Appeal court because, hey, a fact remains a fact, right? Can't be pissed about with. Paris is the capital of France is a fact. No amount of arguing can change a fact. Do you understand that? Marasca-Bruno reiterate Knox was definitely at the cottage as of the time of the murder, did wash the murder victim's blood from her hands, the burglary was staged, Knox did criminally commit a calumny against Lumumba and subvert the course of justice in order to cover up for Guede. All of this remains factual and 100% proven.

More lies. What is a fact, is that they were exonerated.

 

[Numbers]

They were acquitted by the Supreme Court, which doesn't weigh evidence or mess with the facts found by the lower courts. There was no point in Marasca-Bruno sending it back down to the Merits/Appeal court because, hey, a fact remains a fact, right? Can't be pissed about with. Paris is the capital of France is a fact. No amount of arguing can change a fact. Do you understand that? Marasca-Bruno reiterate Knox was definitely at the cottage as of the time of the murder, did wash the murder victim's blood from her hands, the burglary was staged, Knox did criminally commit a calumny against Lumumba and subvert the course of justice in order to cover up for Guede. All of this remains factual and 100% proven.

This is a false statement about the lawful function of the CSC (Italian Supreme Court of Cassation). It does weigh evidence and does weigh facts (inferences) under the circumstances called for in CPP Article 606. The lawful review process of the CSC has been discussed many times in this thread and its continuations.

Source: https://www.altalex.com/documents/news/2014/09/19/ricorso-per-cassazione
See Article 606

 

[TruthCalls]

You are quite wrong. Marasca-Bruno's final verdict and as written in their Motivational Report says very clearly that Knox substituted the name Patrik for that of Guede, whom she was covering up for.

Moving goal posts again, are you? Here's what YOU wrote;

"The courts concluded that Knox let Guede in. She met him in the basketball court remember, by her own account."

There is NO evidence of Amanda letting Guede in, as YOU claimed. Perhaps that's why you're trying to change the subject again.

Re the DNA of Guede and Knox on the bra clasp, even the defence scientific experts said this was so:




Here are the charts showing Knox and Guede's DNA on the bra clasp and fabric.

View attachment 62734

Well no, what this data shows is Meredith and Raffaele's DNA on the clasp. There are only three alleles that are unique to Amanda's DNA profile in this chart (D8S1179 / 12, CSF1PO / 11, and D18S51 / 13). That is NOT proving Amanda's DNA is on the clasp. If we go by what Stefanoni put in the RTIGF report, there are NO unique allele's attributed to Amanda.

Also of note is that there is only one allele over 50 RFU that is unique to Guede's DNA profile (D8S1179 / 14) yet you insist this shows Guede's DNA profile as well.

In fact, there are 11 allele's in Amanda's profile that are NOT on this chart, and there are 12 allele's in Guede's profile that are NOT on this chart, and yet here you are claiming the chart shows Amanda's and Guede's profile.

Perhaps it was wise of you to skip over all the other lies and misinformation that I pointed out in your OP, seeing how badly you failed on the two lies you actually tried to address.

 

[TruthCalls]

That wouldn't be a 'decision'. And BTW all decisions by a judge can be appealed against.

Right, so when the courts decided the TMB negative, DNA negative Luminol revealed prints were made from Meredith's blood because 'what else could they be?', that would be a decision, NOT a fact. The PGP would be wise to remember this...

 

[Vixen]

Right, so when the courts decided the TMB negative, DNA negative Luminol revealed prints were made from Meredith's blood because 'what else could they be?', that would be a decision, NOT a fact. The PGP would be wise to remember this...

A 'decision' by a judge is as a result of an application by one of the parties. It has nothing to do with weighing evidence or finding facts.