Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

I was never even remotely comfortable with it, even 30 years ago. I would leave the Ladies' room if a man in womanface was there or came in. I just thought there was nothing to be done about it, because of the pervasive pressure to "be kind". I am so over being kind.

I just saw something on Twitter I'll try to remember. (I didn't mark the tweet and I have no idea how to search Twitter.) That there is something called, I think, the "uncanny valley" phenomenon, which describes the existential dread people feel when they encounter something that looks human but isn't. The writer claimed that men pretending to be women sometimes - even often - trigger that response in people who see them. I think I agree with this. There's something unnatural about it that presses all sorts of unconscious alarm buttons. Trying to overcome this visceral flight impulse while putting on a fake smile and "being kind" is not easy. I wonder how so many of the handmaidens manage to keep it up for so long.
 
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p0lka said:
I'll do my best.........Someone showed 2 photos, in which the photo on the left shows someone with a beard and the photo on the right shows the same person without a beard,
and then they claimed that that person in a thing that happened, looked like the photo on the left but without a beard which is illogical, akin to saying something is A, if you ignore all the B bits of it.
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Unparsable word salad.
 
Rolfe said:
I was never even remotely comfortable with it, even 30 years ago. I would leave the Ladies' room if a man in womanface was there or came in.
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Certain members of this forum would mark you as a tranny-bashing bigot for doing that.

Rolfe said:
I just thought there was nothing to be done about it, because of the pervasive pressure to "be kind". I am so over being kind.
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"Be kind" is just code for "Shut the ◊◊◊◊ up you bigot"
 
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Manger Douse said:
Can you explain what your line "Children do not use the same toilets as adults in UK schools." meant in post #10,054 then?
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Exactly what I said. The adults in schools i.e. teaching, admin and maintenance staff don't use the same toilets as students, not even in schools that have 16 year old plus students, no student would be taking any non student into any toilet. The comment was about the claim being made in the tweet.
 
Pixel42 said:
I thought it was code for "the feelings of any male have always, and should always, take priority over the feelings of any number of females".
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I thought my code was more succinct... but lets compromise. "Be Kind" is code for "you women should just shut the ◊◊◊◊ up and do what we want"
 
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Certain members of this forum would mark you as a tranny-bashing bigot for doing that.

"Be kind" is just code for "Shut the ◊◊◊◊ up you bigot"
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Here's the thing. I never said a word against them. When my friend Ashley transitioned I went to quite considerable lengths to support him, massage his ego and try to accommodate his somewhat strange appearance. I was avoiding using any pronouns for him - I don't think I ever referred to him as "she", but I was also careful to avoid referring to him as "he". The most anti-trans thing I ever said was to a female friend in private conversation, and that was "the whole thing is beyond weird, but what can you say but 'welcome, sister'?"

I don't ever recall encountering Ashley in the Ladies' loo, though I know he went there. The person I was avoiding and walking out on was one Andrew "Roz" Kaveney, mostly. Look him up, he's a 24-carat creep. But even there, I tried to interact with him otherwise as if he were a normal person. (I was quite disappointed, after I peaked, to realise that Ashley was very thick with Kaveney, but there you go.)

I thought that was enough to be polite and tolerant. But as you say, given the demands for total capitulation made by the trans movement it probably does make me a "tranny-bashing bigot". Well, too bad.

I do resemble that explanation about the "uncanny valley" effect. There is something unnatural and repulsive and existentially frightening about someone trying to pretend that they are what you are, and doing it badly, and doing it for a malignant purpose - in this case to gain entry to our safe, intimate spaces. It takes effort to repress the reaction. We were told we had to make that effort, to "be kind". But now it turns out that making that effort is not enough. Even feeling that natural revulsion in the first place is wicked transphobia. Well, screw them.
 
There is another Sandie Peggie... her name is Fiona McDonald

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Sandie Peggie case sparks lawsuit against trade union for rejecting toilet ban

The PCS union is facing legal action from one of its senior members, Fiona Macdonald, who claims to have been discriminated against due to her gender critical views.
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Now a leading trade unionist is using her union after members campaigned and rallied against her due to her gender critical views. PCS also issued a statement rejecting the Supreme Court's ruling that for the purposes of the Equality Act 2010, the term "woman" refers to a biological woman, and "sex" refers to biological sex.​
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According to the Herald, Fiona Macdonald believes that PCS has been taken over by trans rights activists who have tried to destroy her life due to her gender critical beliefs. She has hired Ms Peggie's employment lawyer Margaret Gribbon to fight her case for her.​
 
Rolfe said:
Here's the thing. I never said a word against them.
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Doesn't matter.

You see, you are expected to welcome males wearing womanface into your spaces without question and with open arms, and if you don't, you're a tranny-bashing bigot. If you self-select out because you are uncomfortable in their presence, that makes you a tranny bashing bigot. If you complain about them in any way at all, however mildly or low-key, they will see you as a tranny-bashing bigot.
 
That's fine. The cap fits so I'll wear it. No attempts to accommodate them are sufficient short of total capitulation; body, mind and soul. So there's no point even trying.
 
I remember once going to a comedy zombie movie. All the trailers shown were for zombie movies. I had no idea it was such a popular or prolific genre. There is a moment in all such movies where someone sees what they believe is a person, but then they turn round or a bit falls off them or whatever, and it's realised that this is a zombie! Also think vampire movies. Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and the moment someone suddenly shows that corrugated forehead and the fangs that identify them as a vampire.

This is a wildly popular frisson moment in film. You're safe in your cinema seat or your easy chair, and you squeal with delight at the vicarious horror. We've all felt it.

Now imagine if that was real life. Not so much fun. There's a deep-seated defensive alarm mechanism being triggered there. This thing is not what it seems, not what I thought it was. I thought it was one of my people, safe, a friend, but it's actually a powerful and malevolent enemy I'm alone with and have allowed to get close to me.

Now think about a woman in what she regards as a safe, women-only space. There's someone else there dressed in women's clothes, but as she looks, as she gets closer, she can see that it's a man. The class of person supposed to be excluded from this space, but this one is dressed in deceptive clothes to infiltrate the safe space. It's Little Red Riding Hood realising that grandmother has very big teeth.

You can be as pro-trans as you like, you can be as intellectually in favour of TWAW as you like, but I submit that every woman will feel that "uncanny valley" effect at that moment. It's not voluntary. It's a subliminal, subconscious reaction.

It's obvious that one response to this is to be ingratiating. I see you but I don't threaten you back. I welcome you. You can pee next to me! I'm a kind person. Eat that nasty terf over there!

And that, I think, may be the core of the asymmetry between the sexes' reactions here. Men may be uncomfortable when they realise there is a woman in their intimate space. They may be embarrassed. They may wish very much that she wasn't there. But I don't think they experience that "uncanny valley" visceral alarm.
 
Darat said:
Exactly what I said. The adults in schools i.e. teaching, admin and maintenance staff don't use the same toilets as students, not even in schools that have 16 year old plus students, no student would be taking any non student into any toilet. The comment was about the claim being made in the tweet.
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Even if you are claiming that this is purely about pupils escorting their little "trans" playmates to the toilets they should not be using, the toilets for the sex they are not, this is still promoting a violation of the privacy of those the toilets are provided for, and a violation of the law on the part of the school, which should not be permitting this.

But we all know that's not all that's being said here.
 
Rolfe said:
Even if you are claiming that this is purely about pupils escorting their little "trans" playmates to the toilets they should not be using, the toilets for the sex they are not, this is still promoting a violation of the privacy of those the toilets are provided for, and a violation of the law on the part of the school, which should not be permitting this.

But we all know that's not all that's being said here.
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I'm not making any claims at all - just refuting the tweet.
 
theprestige said:
It's become a problem because trans rights activists have ideologically captured private and public policymakers, with a mix of propaganda and extortion, that inclines them to deprecate strict segregation policies.
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If we were to roll back the ideological capture—as the aforementioned executive order clearly does for federal agencies, facilities, & enclaves in the U.S.—then we'd be right back at the problem I described above, where trans people can violate sex segregation polices simply by passing as the opposite sex, so long as they aren't public figures like McBride.

What ought to be done about these passing people, given the current policy goal of total segregation by sex at birth?

I can think of a few solutions, but they all come from one sci-fi dystopia or another.
 
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d4m10n said:
If we were to roll back the ideological capture—as the aforementioned executive order clearly does for federal agencies, facilities, & enclaves in the U.S.—then we'd be right back at the problem I described above, where trans people can violate sex segregation polices simply by passing as the opposite sex, so long as they aren't public figures like McBride.

What ought to be done about these passing people, given that the ststed policy goal is total segregation by sex at birth?
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And if that was the only problem remaining, it would be a pretty small one. Especially since men almost never pass successfully as women.

What ought to be done about these people exceeding the speed limit since the stated goal is that every vehicle should travel at a speed within the speed limit?
 
Rolfe said:
Having gone back half a dozen links, the tweet you seem to be referring to is this one, and I don't perceive that you have refuted it at all.

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There is nowhere in the article linked to that indicates that children are being groomed to take any adults into toilets. When i pointed that out I was told the one word "schools" refuted that, but it doesn't because as I say students do not use the same toilets as adults in schools, not even students who are 16, 17 and 18. The scheme is stupid but at least criticise it on its actual stupidity not some made up nonsense of "think of the children" outrage.
 
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There is more than that single article promoting this alarming scheme. "Stupid" hardly does justice to it.
 
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