Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

theprestige said:
He's maybe a mentally unstable ass hole? That would help explain why he decided to overstay his visa, when emailing his embassy didn't secure an extension, and assume it would all work out in his favor.
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Too bad we'll never know, because they expertly solved the situation by imprisoning him for overstaying his visa.

If all you have is a hammer, you cost taxpayers a lot of money in wasted nails.
 
Olmstead said:
Too bad we'll never know, because they expertly solved the situation by imprisoning him for overstaying his visa.

If all you have is a hammer, you cost taxpayers a lot of money in wasted nails.
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ICE only ever set out to solve the problem of him overstaying his visa. Conveniently, detaining and exiling him will give his girlfriend some space to reconsider her life choices and partner preferences.
 
Olmstead said:
Too bad we'll never know, because they expertly solved the situation by imprisoning him for overstaying his visa.
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We will never know because he has chosen to remain anonymous. We don't know if anything he described even happened.
 
theprestige said:
ICE only ever set out to solve the problem of him overstaying his visa. Conveniently, detaining and exiling him will give his girlfriend some space to reconsider her life choices and partner preferences.
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Putting him on a plane out within the same week he agreed to be deported would have had that same effect, at considerably lower cost to the American taxpayers.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Putting him on a plane out within the same week he agreed to be deported would have had that same effect, at considerably lower cost to the American taxpayers.
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That's if everything he said is true, AND it's the complete story.

Why are you confident that it is?
 
Hercules56 said:
www.thedailybeast.com

ICE Secretly Deported Grandpa, 82, Over Lost Green Card

Luis Leon’s family says someone called and told them that he had died, though he was later found alive.
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com

Grandfather deported to Guatemala after going to replace his lost green card. Are you MAGAs proud of this?
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He should have dome something to make sure he didn't lose it. Maybe stitch it to his clothing, in the form of a colored patch.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm not. You seem to have pulled that idea out of your ass. I answered your question, will you answer mine?
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If you can avoid being rude. To go back to your thoroughly stupid question: what is there in the story to doubt? Do you think he is an American citizen and shouldn't have been deported? Do you think he was deported as soon as he possibly could have been? The elements that are doubtful are the parts where he tries to justify his overstaying his visa-- medical excuses, it was just a couple of days, the "mental health incident"...none of which are relevant to my complaint which is-- and has always been in this thread-- that he could have been removed from the country far more expeditiously without a long detention in multiple facilities. Do you deny that? Please explain why it wasn't inefficient to keep this person present in the US for so long after it was determined he should be deported. What benefit was it to the US as a nation and to its people to spend all that time and money and effort to feed and house this person in detention for so long? What did we get out of it?
 
TragicMonkey said:
If you can avoid being rude. To go back to your thoroughly stupid question: what is there in the story to doubt?
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You didn't actually answer me. Yet I will still answer you. What's to doubt? That it happened the way he claimed. That he didn't leave anything important out. That there's nothing important that he's unaware of.

Nothing about this story can even be checked. None of it. If you don't think it even could be false or misleading, you aren't actually thinking.
 
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Ziggurat said:
You didn't actually answer me. Yet I will still answer you. What's to doubt? That it happened the way he claimed. That he didn't leave anything important out. That there's nothing important that he's unaware of.

Nothing about this story can even be checked. None of it. If you don't think it even could be false or misleading, you aren't actually thinking.
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Everything is to doubt, starting with reality itself. How do you know you're not just a brain in a jar, and all apparently-external input isn't illusion? Once you answer that I'll justify to your satisfaction how I (and the rest of the human race, and some AI) can draw conclusions on the tentative unspoken assumption that at least some of what is perceived may be real.

And I did answer you, you simply chose to snip the answer out of your quote of me. What is your problem with my posts here? I'm not complaining that he got deported. I'm not wringing my hands about injustice or unfairness or cruelty. I'm complaining about the inefficiency of the process as presented. Do you believe the process was not as described? That it happened much more swiftly? Why do you believe that is more likely to have been the case? I maintain that if the guy was going to lie about something it would be about the whys of his deportation, not the whens.

I don't think you have an actual objection to my take on this matter. I think you dislike it because it's accurate, and cuts through the protective cloud of crap the Trumpist xenophobes vomit up: because I'm not arguing that immigration enforcement is an inherently bad thing, I'm pointing out that it's being done badly. Which is a completely legitimate concern for any citizen, and ought to be an overwhelming concern for office-holders -- particularly those who claim to work towards efficiency and cost-effectiveness.
 
It's disturbing to see people openly excusing and defending the acts of the American Gestapo already. 'Okay, so they were outright kidnapped by masked thugs without badges or uniforms who are anonymous and accountable to no one, and this is already leading to kidnappers, sex offenders, and trafffickers pretending to be ICE agents, and we know people are being tortured in concentration camps and refused due process of law, but the important thing is they'd foolishly not applied for citizenship, or broken some minor law at some point, or filled out a form wrong!'

I wonder if the NSDAP also went for criminals in the beginning to gradually normalize people disappearing. I'll have to look it up.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
It's disturbing to see people openly excusing and defending the acts of the American Gestapo already. 'Okay, so they were outright kidnapped by masked thugs without badges or uniforms who are anonymous and accountable to no one, and this is already leading to kidnappers, sex offenders, and trafffickers pretending to be ICE agents, and we know people are being tortured in concentration camps and refused due process of law, but the important thing is they'd foolishly not applied for citizenship, or broken some minor law at some point, or filled out a form wrong!'

I wonder if the NSDAP also went for criminals in the beginning to gradually normalize people disappearing. I'll have to look it up.
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They did.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
It's disturbing to see people openly excusing and defending the acts of the American Gestapo already. 'Okay, so they were outright kidnapped by masked thugs without badges or uniforms who are anonymous and accountable to no one, and this is already leading to kidnappers, sex offenders, and trafffickers pretending to be ICE agents, and we know people are being tortured in concentration camps and refused due process of law, but the important thing is they'd foolishly not applied for citizenship, or broken some minor law at some point, or filled out a form wrong!'

I wonder if the NSDAP also went for criminals in the beginning to gradually normalize people disappearing. I'll have to look it up.
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IRRC, NSDAP openly went after communists in the beginning (i.e., before the NSDAP actually got into power), but that was more of a tit-for-tat thing: Mutual political violence to determine which tyranny would take over the country. After getting into power, the NSDAP started with a secret program to get rid of the terminally ill.

But keep looking! I'm sure that sooner or later, you'll find The Protocols of the Elders of Illegal Immigration.
 
theprestige said:
IRRC, NSDAP openly went after communists in the beginning (i.e., before the NSDAP actually got into power), but that was more of a tit-for-tat thing: Mutual political violence to determine which tyranny would take over the country. After getting into power, the NSDAP started with a secret program to get rid of the terminally ill.
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And those with inheritable conditions, and those they decided were mentally ill or of 'sub normal' intelligence, and gypsies, homosexuals and basically anyone else that didn't meet the 'Arian' ideals.
 
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