Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

OK. But that wasn't the claim.

Which is a problem, and corrective actions have been taken to try to prevent that from happening again.
The fact that US citizens keep on being detained by ICE, often violently by masked agents with no identifiable markings or ID, gives me no confidence that you are correct.

Dont forget YOUR President said he would love to deport violent US citizen criminals.
 
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As I suspected. This is a child whose mother was being deported. The father claims the child was deported without consent, the state claims that the mother requested the child accompany her.

So it's possible that this was what you claim it is. But it's also possible that it isn't, that (like the other examples) this is just a child whose mother was deported and chose to bring the child along with her.

Again, can you imagine the outcry if we did not allow mothers being deported to bring their children with them? Do you really think such a policy would be better? And how do we get from one potential case to your claimed "many"?
 
We'll never know how many were or weren't citizens due to ◊◊◊◊◊◊ protocols. Deporting folks based on ◊◊◊◊◊◊ protocol is ◊◊◊◊◊◊.
Indeed. Which is why the policies were changed. Did you forget that part?
 
cops and ICE are not military, they are Civilians - as such, they have to operate with the consent of the community. Otherwise, they are just Occupiers and should be resisted as such.

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They have the consent of the community.

That is unless you think our Constitutional form of government with Representative Democracy, is garbage and should be overthrown?
 
cops and ICE are not military, they are Civilians - as such, they have to operate with the consent of the community.
What community are you talking about? The community of our nation as a whole, or only the local community? Seems like ICE has the consent of the nation as a whole (which elected Trump, and he was pretty open about what he wanted to do re: immigration).

And are you saying that our military can operate without our consent? What's the logic here?
Otherwise, they are just Occupiers and should be resisted as such.
Did the FBI have the consent of locals when it investigated the murders of three civil rights workers in 1964 Mississippi? Probably not.
 
Here's a quick question - try to be reasonable.

How many things (policies, quotes, beliefs..) would the two have to share before it becomes OK to make the comparison?
It's not about the number of similarities. You can rack up quite a count of meaningless stuff that way (Hitler was a vegetarian and loved dogs). It's about essential qualities. What makes Nazis Nazis, and not like other groups you might not like? If there isn't overlap on the essentials, then the comparison isn't valid no matter how many non-essential similarities you might find.
 
What community are you talking about? The community of our nation as a whole, or only the local community? Seems like ICE has the consent of the nation as a whole (which elected Trump, and he was pretty open about what he wanted to do re: immigration).

And are you saying that our military can operate without our consent? What's the logic here?

Did the FBI have the consent of locals when it investigated the murders of three civil rights workers in 1964 Mississippi? Probably not.
Indeed, demanding that federal authorities ALWAYS have the consent of every local community affected, could run into problems.

See: Desegregation of southern schools, investigation of murders during Jim Crow, etc etc
 
Yep, which was a denial of due process.
You keep making the same error. If the mother actually wanted to bring the child with her, then no, it wasn't. You can say we don't know, and so it's a potential denial, but you cannot conclude at this stage that it was an actual denial. The court certainly doesn't take that view.
 
cops and ICE are not military, they are Civilians - as such, they have to operate with the consent of the community. Otherwise, they are just Occupiers and should be resisted as such.
So you're saying the racist white Conservative mobs were justified in fighting against the federal agents desegregating the schools in Little Rock?
 
Name a citizen who was recently detained WITHOUT due process.

Say within the last 2 months.
Andrea Velez.

A US citizen was arrested during an immigration raid in downtown Los Angeles this week in what her family described as a “kidnapping” by federal immigration agents.

Andrea Velez, 32, had just been dropped off at work by her mother and sister, the pair said, when they saw agents grab her.


“My mom looked at the rear mirror and she saw how my sister was attacked from the back,” Estrella Rosas told ABC7. “She was like: ‘They’re kidnapping your sister.

Velez, a graduate of Cal Poly Pomona, was taken into custody during an immigration raid on Tuesday. In video captured from the scene, agents can be seen surrounding her as a crowd gathers in the street and police officers stand by. Meanwhile, Rosas and her mother, who has residency but is not a citizen, screamed from a nearby vehicle for help.”
She’s a US citizen,” Rosas said through tears. “They’re taking her. Help her, someone.”

In other video, an agent can be seen lifting Velez off the ground and carrying her away. Witnesses told media, including CBS Los Angeles, that the agents never asked Velez for identification, and that she did nothing wrong.

“The only thing wrong with her … was the color of her skin,” Velez’s mother, Margarita Flores, told CBS Los Angeles.
Velez’s family was unaware of her whereabouts for more than a day until attorneys for the family tracked her down. “It took us four hours to find her and we’re attorneys. That’s crazy,” attorney Dominique Boubion told ABC7.

“Just to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and you have the full weight of the federal government against you and your family can’t find you – it is very scary.”

Authorities have not told lawyers what charges Velez faces, but an official with the Department of Homeland Security told media that she was arrested for assaulting an Ice officer. US Immigration and Customs Enforcement did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
 

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