Indeed you shouldn't. The modern gender identity movement is founded heavily on whipping up irrational fear in trans-identified people and promoting hatred of people dissenting from their philosophical beliefs. That is a big draw for bullies, narcissists, authoritarians, and fundamentalists.
Do you have an actual argument to present, or are you just here to insult people's motives?
Why not? It all stems from the same irrational ideology: Men should be entitled to override sex segregation whenever they want.
They're not the same thing. I can demonstrate it by showing you someone with a vagina that does the societal man gender role thing.
What are the defining characteristics of the "social man gender role thing"?
I love how you always have a bit of a personal dig, it's interesting.
It seems to be the gender stereotypes, in a similar way to males going for the social woman stereotypes. There seems to be a attraction for some trans people to conform to social gender roles which is strange. I think that people in general should be trying to get away from gender roles.
Note the slanted wording there; Trump is reversing advances in rights. The article goes on to note California's attempt to split the baby:
Might be a reasonable solution for track and field events, but it's unlikely to resolve the concern over team sports.
I know, I just wanted to see whether they could remember.
What are the defining characteristics of the "social man gender role thing"?
Calling it male and female instead of the gender labels might solve it.
from the people I know that do the social man gender role thing it's all beards and muscles for the most part, which is a wee bit err? cos I have no beard or muscles yet i'm male.
Hasn't worked for parkrun. Hasn't worked for all UKian TRAs who are subject to their supreme court's recent ruling.
Beards and muscles are sex indicators, not defining characteristics of a gender role in society.
Dresses aren't a role.
Breasts are sex indicators, not defining characteristics of a gender role in society.
What gender role do you think those females are performing?
The parkrun rules state that gender overrides sex in the sex categories, I linked to them a few posts ago, so go back and read it and check the posts from then onwards.
Beards and muscles are clearly not sex indicators, as I know females with beards and muscles?
I'm a male, I didn't say I was a man as that's the very gender labels that I'm arguing against.
Don't get hung up on the word 'role', in this context it just means things that you do that in society other people do too.
Already answered above.
Performing? They are females that don't fit the gender stereotype? I'm not talking about roles on a stage that you have to perform or anything, i'm talking about behaviors that people naturally fall in to in our societies.
The set of individuals with DSDs has relatively little overlap with the set of people who suffer from gender dysphoria, as I've repeatedly said in various earlier instances of this thread. I would hope everyone here is clear on this fact, by now. DSDs are bound to be looped into this discussion, though, whenever someone tries to cleanly sort every human being into exactly two sex categories for the sake of any given public policy.
They are taking damage because the current administration in the U.S. have created a strict sex binary via executive order without taking into account any of the complexities raised by DSDs, several of which were discussed by Novella in any attempt to decrease scientific illiteracy on this topic. The administration appears to be constructing this binary based on genotype, in a wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey sort of way which somehow travels backwards to the time of conception.
Okay, but how would you persuade someone trying to follow the executive order—in good faith—that they should treat individuals who have testes and will never produce any ova that they belong "to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell" for purposes of complying with federal policy? There might be an argument that really works here, but I've yet to see it.
You are assuming statistical independence here, probably incorrectly.