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Merged Artificial Intelligence

Olmstead said:
My point is that I didn't need commissioned works. The very concept is so strange to me, as if having an artist make me something to order will be better than an affordable copy of something an artist actually chose to make. And now the great solution is supposed to be to have a machine make something to order, but it's not even truly to order, because it's algorithmic slop.
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Most of what we consider "masterworks" were commissions. And that's how most art that has been produced and funded down the centuries. I'm glad that now anyone at a very low cost and access to a smartphone can commission artwork, something only the rich were able to do until now.

Are all the images bar my original image in the collage that I posted "AI slop"?

I'll post it again in case you missed it.

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Darat said:
Most of what we consider "masterworks" were commissions. And that's how most art that has been produced and funded down the centuries. I'm glad that now anyone at a very low cost and access to a smartphone can commission artwork, something only the rich were able to do until now.

Are all the images bar my original image in the collage that I posted "AI slop"?

I'll post it again in case you missed it.

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I'd say it's all slop, but that might be insulting. I'm not really serious, but it isn't exactly something I'd hang on a wall.

I'd say they definitely "steal" the work of the original image, along with whatever work the AI appropriated from somewhere else. That's not a legal opinion, just my moral one.

Is that really worth it for what amounts to a glorified palette swap though?
 
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Darat said:
Most of what we consider "masterworks" were commissions. And that's how most art that has been produced and funded down the centuries. I'm glad that now anyone at a very low cost and access to a smartphone can commission artwork, something only the rich were able to do until now.

Are all the images bar my original image in the collage that I posted "AI slop"?

I'll post it again in case you missed it.
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I doubt anyone could peg which is the original and which are the AI enhancements. Not saying anything about the quality of the art, just being amazed at how good AI is at extrapolating from it.
 
alfaniner said:
I doubt anyone could peg which is the original and which are the AI enhancements. Not saying anything about the quality of the art, just being amazed at how good AI is at extrapolating from it.
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The first one is the original, no? AI tends to make random lines and smudges for no reason.
 
alfaniner said:
I doubt anyone could peg which is the original and which are the AI enhancements. Not saying anything about the quality of the art, just being amazed at how good AI is at extrapolating from it.
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It was one of my exercises - a 30 minute limit one so it's definitely not my best work! The AI I used for the changes is a newish AI called "Flux Kontext Pro" and its strength is meant to be in editing via natural language. My prompts were very simple "put the dogs on a beach", "put the dogs in spacesuits" "replace the middle dog with a black and white dog", "replace the middle dog with a cat", "put the dogs into a park".
 
However relevant it is to the discussion, that cat it made is absolutely trained off of Richard Scarry's art.

If I was guessing which was AI, I'd have picked that one (Scarry cat, and it's gigantic) and spacesuits (the dog is now standing like a man)

Which is to say, swapping colors and backgrounds on your own art is probably reasonable gen AI work. Creating new elements, slop.
 
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alfaniner said:
I doubt anyone could peg which is the original and which are the AI enhancements. Not saying anything about the quality of the art, just being amazed at how good AI is at extrapolating from it.
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Upper left. The left pup's eyes don't match the others in four of the pictures, and in one of the remaining they're in space suits. Also, the shading on the right pup got repurposed as a coat pattern by img2img.

To answer the question, this is slop. You don't appear to have a firm concept in mind, but are throwing things at the wall to see what looks good. As well as learning about inpainting, I'd guess. There's nothing wrong with slop, it's visual brainstorming.
 
Lithrael said:
However relevant it is to the discussion, that cat it made
is absolutely trained off of Richard Scarry's art.
If I was guessing which was AI, I'd have picked that one (Scarry cat, and it's gigantic) and spacesuits (the dog is now standing like a man)

Which is to say, swapping colors and backgrounds on your own art is probably reasonable gen AI work. Creating new elements, slop.
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They are all AI - apart from the original bottom right one. And I'm really not seeing a Richard Scarry's style cat, I'm seeing a cat done in the same "style" as the original was done in.

These are the types of cats I associate with Scarry:

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Reproduced under the "fair use" doctrine...
 
It's fine if you disagree but I see a lot of Scarry in that cat.

Slop is probably ok if all you want is 'a dog' but the same thing could be achieved with clip art for decades.
 
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Darat said:
Don't understand your comment can you reword it?
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The left dog has solid eyes with specular highlights. The other two have differentiated iris and sclera. Both styles would work but they conflict in the same image.
 
Darat said:
Interesting - they missed one of the indicators - the rule of three, it often generates text that 1) reads more like a speech 2) the rule of three is used a lot throughout the text 3) never uses "whilst".
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You're probably aware, but Americans hardly ever use "whilst" either, we usually default to "while". So its absence might not be a great indicator of AI; rather that the writer is not British.
 
Darat said:
Most of what we consider "masterworks" were commissions. And that's how most art that has been produced and funded down the centuries. I'm glad that now anyone at a very low cost and access to a smartphone can commission artwork, something only the rich were able to do until now.
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The reason why commissioning artwork has always been expensive is because you are essentially paying for the artist's time and materials as well as their creative talent. Furthermore, I think you would reasonably expect them to come up with something new. I don't think that asking an AI to produce something and it coming back with some mash-up derived from stuff on the Internet can reasonably described as commissioning an artwork.

For example, I commissioned my sister-in-law whose art I like to create a new painting for me. The brief was pretty vague: "something to do with Bristol harbour". For context, my apartment is very close to it. It's just out of shot in the linked image to the right of SS Great Britain. What she produced fulfilled the brief but was utterly surprising in a most delightful way. I seriously doubt if any existing AI could possibly have come up with anything similar - unless instructed by her, of course.

Darat said:
Are all the images bar my original image in the collage that I posted "AI slop"?

I'll post it again in case you missed it.

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The answer is definitely yes. I would argue that you could have done a better job with a drawing tool and a couple of hours. In the top two images, the background has just been replaced. I could do that.

In the middle left image, the cat is jarringly two dimensional compared to the dogs. It seems bizarre in what is essentially a cartoon, but I can imagine the dogs as living breathing animals, but the cat looks like a cardboard cut out (as does the black dog, to a lesser extent in the image next to it).

The worst one, however, is the space suit image. Whereas I can just about accept that the head of the middle dog is outside its helmet, the right hand dog's helmet clearly has a glass faceplate but the tongue is magically outside it.
 
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