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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Similar to breast implants for women with smaller bossom. Or plastic surgery.
Interesting. Breast implants following mastectomies are generally covered by insurance even though they are not considered medically necessary and are in fact considered a possible complication. In other cases, breast implants are considered elective cosmetic surgery. Assuming a mastectomy is medically successful in treating the underlying pathology, why do we justify the additional step of providing a prosthetic purely for aesthetic value?
 
That's not really an answer to my question.
It is a complete answer. Thomas wasn't allowed to compete in the women's category because "women" refers to gender. Thomas was allowed to because the rules specify how to qualify for the category, and Thomas meets the requirements of those rules at the time. Those exact same rules could be used regardless of the label for the category. Conversely, the NCAA has updated their rules and now Thomas would no longer qualify. They did not need to change the category label to exclude Thomas. They needed to change the rules.

Your confusion is baffling.
 
It is a complete answer. Thomas wasn't allowed to compete in the women's category because "women" refers to gender. Thomas was allowed to because the rules specify how to qualify for the category, and Thomas meets the requirements of those rules at the time. Those exact same rules could be used regardless of the label for the category. Conversely, the NCAA has updated their rules and now Thomas would no longer qualify. They did not need to change the category label to exclude Thomas. They needed to change the rules.

Your confusion is baffling.
At this point I'm convinced the confusion is performative, and requires no further input from me. I just don't get postmodern "art".
 
Interesting. Breast implants following mastectomies are generally covered by insurance even though they are not considered medically necessary and are in fact considered a possible complication. In other cases, breast implants are considered elective cosmetic surgery. Assuming a mastectomy is medically successful in treating the underlying pathology, why do we justify the additional step of providing a prosthetic purely for aesthetic value?
Boob implants to make you feel better about yourself cuz u think your boobs are too small is very different than breast implants post mastectomy, radiation and chemo. Even you can see the difference.
 
It is a complete answer. Thomas wasn't allowed to compete in the women's category because "women" refers to gender. Thomas was allowed to because the rules specify how to qualify for the category, and Thomas meets the requirements of those rules at the time. Those exact same rules could be used regardless of the label for the category. Conversely, the NCAA has updated their rules and now Thomas would no longer qualify. They did not need to change the category label to exclude Thomas. They needed to change the rules.

Your confusion is baffling.
Have you read the link you posted? They are clearly updating their rules to differentiate sex from gender? I think because it makes it easier to define.
I'm confused as to why people can't see the obvious fixing that would do.
 
Boob implants to make you feel better about yourself cuz u think your boobs are too small is very different than breast implants post mastectomy, radiation and chemo.
How, exactly?

Mastectomy, radiation therapy, and chemotherapy are intended to treat the disease of cancer—a recognized medical condition for which that is the appropriate treatment. The breast implant is not part of the treatment for the disease. If a false breast is not implanted, the cancer does not return. In fact, implantation incurs the additional medical risks associated with the implant for strictly cosmetic purposes. Since the implant does not treat or prevent cancer, what do you believe the purpose of a breast implant is in such a case?

Even you can see the difference.
Pretend I can't, and explain it to us.
 
Have you read the link you posted? They are clearly updating their rules to differentiate sex from gender? I think because it makes it easier to define.
You are wrong (I'm sensing a pattern). They are updating the rules because the Trump administration has made it clear that Title IX refers to sex and not gender, they will start enforcing it on that basis, and ◊◊◊◊ will hit the fan if the NCAA doesn't fall in line. They don't care about the ease of defining anything, that has absolutely nothing to do with this change. They made this change because someone with the power to do so basically forced them to.

And note what they DID NOT do: they DID NOT rename the category as "female". They left the name as "women's". Because renaming the category was never necessary. Renaming it wouldn't have changed anything. The rules were always what mattered. There was never anything wrong with the label "women's". That was never where the confusion or conflict actually came from.
I'm confused as to why people can't see the obvious fixing that would do.
Nothing here got "fixed", not in the sense of ending the conflict. This handed victory to the side that wants to exclude males from women's sports. That's an outcome I wanted, but I'm under no illusion that my goal is universally shared. Those who want to allow males in women's sports do not want this outcome, and will work to undo it. Renaming the category as "female sports" wouldn't satisfy them either.

How many iterations of this do we have to go through before you start to clue in about what's actually going on?
 
How, exactly?

Mastectomy, radiation therapy, and chemotherapy are intended to treat the disease of cancer—a recognized medical condition for which that is the appropriate treatment. The breast implant is not part of the treatment for the disease. If a false breast is not implanted, the cancer does not return. In fact, implantation incurs the additional medical risks associated with the implant for strictly cosmetic purposes. Since the implant does not treat or prevent cancer, what do you believe the purpose of a breast implant is in such a case?


Pretend I can't, and explain it to us.
No, its kinda tone deaf and a bit misogynistic to not understand the difference. Clearly this is a major one.

Now back to trans therapy for kids.
 
No, its kinda tone deaf and a bit misogynistic to not understand the difference.
I asked for an explanation, not an insult. I was kind enough to explain my reasoning.

Now back to trans therapy for kids.
It was your choice to analogize gender-affirming care for minors in terms of elective medical care. You chose that specific example. Let's continue exploring it.
 
I asked for an explanation, not an insult. I was kind enough to explain my reasoning.


It was your choice to analogize gender-affirming care for minors in terms of elective medical care. You chose that specific example. Let's continue exploring it.
No, its not the topic of the thread.
 
Then report it as off-topic. It was the analogy you brought up to make your point, so it's pretty disingenuous of you now to try to claim it's off topic.

I was cordial enough to explain my reasoning. Please explain yours.
Go ahead and create a new topic.
 
No. You raised this example here. I challenged it here. You can defend it here.

You seem unwilling to defend your reasoning, so we'll just conclude at this point that you can't.
I am happy to defend my position in a new thread that is devoted to that topic.

I will not participate in a diversion of this thread which is about a very specific and unique issue.
 

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