Should sanctuary cities be tolerated?

Hercules56 said:
Illegal immigration is a real problem, most of them need to be found and deported. Local municipalities standing in the way of dealing with this problem while BEGGING the federal govt for more funds to deal with the issue, is the height of hypocrisy.

Its also national suicide to ignore illegal immigration.
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The answer to the problem of illegal immigration is not to detain them and kick them out, it's to help them to become legal.

Most illegal immigrants aren't saying to themselves "Oh, well I could either get in legally or illegally, I think I'll choose illegal because reasons".
 
acbytesla said:
....Unless your ancestry is native American you're part of those impure genes.
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Well, in my case -- an untypical one, to be sure -- after nigh 400 years* of New World mixmastering, I'm sure to have at least a sample of every gene going, from Denisovan up until 1942. (Don't tell herq, it might make him queasy.)

* Yep, my long-ago ancestor arrived in what's now Massachusetts in 1631. I guess he liked it and decided to stay.
 
sackett said:
Well, in my case -- an untypical one, to be sure -- after nigh 400 years* of New World mixmastering, I'm sure to have at least a sample of every gene going, from Denisovan up until 1942. (Don't tell herq, it might make him queasy.)

* Yep, my long-ago ancestor arrived in what's now Massachusetts in 1631. I guess he liked it and decided to stay.
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Either that or he couldn't afford a ticket back.
 
acbytesla said:
Either that or he couldn't afford a ticket back.
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He couldn't for dang sure, since he was indentured to one of the Massachusetts Bay Colony founding gentlemen, as were most non-gentlemen who came over. That was pretty much unavoidable, since the Company charged for the privilege of settling.

Should we reinstitute indenture for immigrants? Might solve a lot of problems. They could work for their betters -- excuse me, for bona fide citizens -- for seven years, after which their iron collars would be struck off and they'd be free to earn their keep.

Unless they'd incurred further debts during their period of servitude, of
course. Hey, I'm no starry-eyed Open Borders librul with his head in the snowflakes!
 
sackett said:
He couldn't for dang sure, since he was indentured to one of the Massachusetts Bay Colony founding gentlemen, as were most non-gentlemen who came over. That was pretty much unavoidable, since the Company charged for the privilege of settling.

Should we reinstitute indenture for immigrants? Might solve a lot of problems. They could work for their betters -- excuse me, for bona fide citizens -- for seven years, after which their iron collars would be struck off and they'd be free to earn their keep.

Unless they'd incurred further debts during their period of servitude, of
course. Hey, I'm no starry-eyed Open Borders librul with his head in the snowflakes!
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The good old days.
 
Hercules56 said:
And yes, ICE has the authority to detain someone if they have probable cause that they are in the United States illegally. No warrant needed.
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Explain, in your own words, the difference between constructive probable cause and incidental probable cause. Because what you're describing sounds an awful lot like the latest MAGA ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ about how ICE is "somehow" [waves hands magically] except from the Fourth Amendment.
 
Hercules56 said:
And no massively expensive social programs.
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I wonder about this; what kind of social programmes do illegal immigrants have access to? I would assume none, but I may very well be wrong. I suspect that they pay some taxes on food etc, but receive very few benefits, if any. At the same time, many Americans benefit from their labour; low wages, very little protection in the work place, and no real recourse if/when they are exploited.
 
Hercules56 said:
Thats a lie, I never said such a thing.
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You claimed that people believing the Clinton and Obama administrations were fascist is equally valid to people believing the Trump administration is fascist. You equated a belief based on delusion with a belief based on observable fact.
 
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