Ed Israel/US Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

[The Great Zaganza]

The Iranian regime has repeatedly called for Israel's annihilation. Its really not a big stretch of the imagination that they will use nuclear wepons for such purpose. You also clearly took my words out of context. I never said Iran was threatening anyone with nukes.

No. I fully support preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons by military means. Why dont you admit that if Iran wasnt threatening Israel and wasnt pursuing a nuclear weapons program that this war wouldnt exist?

threatening with what?
you are basing your justification on words, nothing else.
Again, why does Israel get to threaten Iran with annihilation ("we will burn Teheran") AND actually bomb it, and Iran doesn't even get to say that it wants Israel to cease to exist without using the resources necessary for doing so?
Iran could have used poison gas or other means to cause massive civilian casualties in Israel, and it has not done so.
Israel has killed many more Iranians than vice versa, and has for decades assassinated Iranian leaders and scientists - Iran hasn't done the same to Israeli.
Israel has complete Air Dominance over Iran, complete Intelligence Dominance, superior bombs and missiles, Iran can't even get a reliable helicopter for its leader.


By what metric is Iran an existential threat to Israel?
Because it said mean things?
Is Israel's ego at risk?

And neutral analysis of the situation, including the rhetoric of the leaders to the two countries, would see that Israel is a far greater threat to Iran than Iran is to Israel. Iran is just kicking while Iran is down, having destroyed its AA capabilites months ago.

 

[lobosrul5]

If Israel was ONLY targeting military instillations in Iran, no children would die.

Yet children are dying in Iran from Israeli strikes.

That means either the IDFascists have TERRIBLE aim or they are targeting civilians.

SAM sites can be in residential neighborhoods. Military leaders could be targeted in their homes. Missiles malfunction, or can be intercepted. Intel can be faulty.

 

[Hercules56]

Yep, the IDFascists are targeting civilians in Iran.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-15-25

BS claims of "blood libel" in 5...4...3...

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Britain, the US and Jordan all assist Israel in intercepting missiles from Iran.
Still, some getting through, killing Israeli.

Keep in mind that each basic interceptor cost $100,000, and multiple are used on each target. Each Patriot missile costs $20,000,000.
Israel and the US are burning hundreds of millions each day to protect Israel from the consequences of its actions.
Meanwhile, Iran is learning exactly what it takes to overwhelm the Iron Dome and where it has blind spots.

the ONLY reason to do this was to prevent a peaceful deal of the US with Iran - an almost perfect mirror version of the Oct 7th attack to spoil a deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia.
And a similar number of people will die or have already died.

 

[Hercules56]

The IDFascists wanted to kill Iran's leader, but the USA said no. If this is true, Israel has truly lost their minds and maybe regime change from outside is necessary.

 

[theprestige]

The IDFascists wanted to kill Iran's leader, but the USA said no. If this is true, Israel has truly lost their minds and maybe regime change from outside is necessary.

Ironically, I've been convinced for years that Iran has truly lost their minds, and that regime change from outside is almost certainly necessary. Godspeed, Israel, Godspeed.

 

[Hercules56]

Ironically, I've been convinced for years that Iran has truly lost their minds, and that regime change from outside is almost certainly necessary. Godspeed, Israel, Godspeed.

Edited by Agatha: 

Removed personalisation. Do not breach rule 12.

 

[theprestige]

Edited by Agatha: 

Removed rule breach in quote

Assassinating the enemy head of state during a war is not terrorism. I'm pretty sure we've been over this before.

And labels aside, I cannot conceive of a scenario where I would support Iran over Israel, regardless of what Israel may have done in the past, or may plausibly be expected to do in the future. Your tu quoque has no power here. Iran is by far the greater of two evils. Liken it to backing Stalin against Hitler, if it helps you sleep at night.

 

[Hercules56]

Assassinating the enemy head of state during a war is not terrorism....

So its acceptable if Iran snuffs Bibi the Butcher?

 

[lobosrul5]

So its acceptable if Iran snuffs Bibi the Butcher?

It wouldn't be terrorism.

 

[Hercules56]

It wouldn't be terrorism.

Oh, they'd call it an anti-Semitic act of genocide!

 

[lobosrul5]

Oh, they'd call it an anti-Semitic act of genocide!

Anti-Semitic act of assassination.

Or do you really want to argue whether the Iranian regime is anti-Semitic?

 

[Hercules56]

Anti-Semitic act of assassination.

Or do you really want to argue whether the Iranian regime is anti-Semitic?

Right, so if Israel kills Iran's leader its an act of anti-Muslim bigotry?

Thought not. Hypocrisy noted.

 

[arthwollipot]

Targeting civilians is a war crime.

Israel clearly doesn't give a ◊◊◊◊ about that.

By what metric is Iran an existential threat to Israel?

By the metric that Iran derecognised the state of Israel in 1979 and has repeatedly stated its policy of Israel's destruction.

 

[jt512]

Israel clearly doesn't give a ◊◊◊◊ about that.

Stop lying. Israel does not target civilians, and you know it.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Iran claims to have shot down three F35s and captured two pilots.

 

[lobosrul5]

Iran claims to have shot down three F35s and captured two pilots.

So they claim. The only picture so far turned out to be a fake.

 

[arthwollipot]

Stop lying. Israel does not target civilians, and you know it.

Can you possibly be this brainwashed?

Israel targets civilian humanitarian aid workers.

Attacks on humanitarian workers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian health workers.

Attacks on health facilities during the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian schools.

Attacks on schools during the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian journalists.

Killing of journalists in the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian religious sites.

Attacks on religious sites during the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The ridiculous claim that "Israel doesn't target civilians" is the most egregious and obviously false thing you have said to me.

 

[jt512]

Iran claims to have shot down three F35s and captured two pilots.

Iran claims t

Can you possibly be this brainwashed?

Israel targets civilian humanitarian aid workers.

Attacks on humanitarian workers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian health workers.

Attacks on health facilities during the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian schools.

Attacks on schools during the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian journalists.

Killing of journalists in the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian religious sites.

Attacks on religious sites during the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The ridiculous claim that "Israel doesn't target civilians" is the most egregious and obviously false thing you have said to me.

You are being will

 

[jt512]

Can you possibly be this brainwashed?

Israel targets civilian humanitarian aid workers.

Attacks on humanitarian workers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian health workers.

Attacks on health facilities during the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian schools.

Attacks on schools during the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian journalists.

Killing of journalists in the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel targets civilian religious sites.

Attacks on religious sites during the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The ridiculous claim that "Israel doesn't target civilians" is the most egregious and obviously false thing you have said to me.

You are being willfully ignorant. You know damn well that contrary to international law Hamas uses civilian infrastructure to shield military infrastructure. Under international law that infrastructure becomes lawful military target. Even so, Israel goes to historically unprecedented lengths to minimize civilian casualties when attacking these targets. And despite Hamas’s unprecedented attempts to MAXIMIZE fatalities among its own civilian population for propaganda purposes, Israel has achieved the lowest civilian-to-military fatality ratio in the history of urban warfare.

Time to stop lying, Arth.