Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Interesting article in Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/05/29/transgender-politics-democrats-third-way-00372820

I recognize the backlash I will likely face in proposing that Democrats seize the center on this issue. But many in the Democratic coalition share, if only among close and trusted friends, the sense that we are walking on eggshells. They fear they’ll be berated or ostracized by making public any viewpoints or using language that diverges from progressive groupthink or online orthodoxy.
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Online responses seem to focus on "we can't take away minority rights"; the US debate on the left is very different to that in the UK.
 
Aber said:
Interesting article in Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/05/29/transgender-politics-democrats-third-way-00372820



Online responses seem to focus on "we can't take away minority rights"; the US debate on the left is very different to that in the UK.
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I expect the argument will also face backlash here from some of those who have become more militant in their… trans-skeptic arguments over time. For example, exhortations to treat trans people with kindness have been replaced with exhortations to… erm…. sodomize them.
 
Aber said:
Interesting article in Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/05/29/transgender-politics-democrats-third-way-00372820



Online responses seem to focus on "we can't take away minority rights" ; the US debate on the left is very different to that in the UK.
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I agree. The left of the left in the UK is completely captured - all in on stamping all over women's rights in favour of coddling men with mental conditions pretending to be women.

Always keep in mind that the political centre in the US is in a different place from most other western democracies... the political spectrum is more conservative in the US... if you transplanted US Democrat politicians such as Eric Swalwell, Jared Moskowitz, Ted Lieu and Jamie Raskin into UK politics, they would likely slot in as centrist, maybe slightly conservative.
 
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smartcooky said:
I agree. The left of the left in the UK is completely captured - all in on stamping all over women's rights in favour of coddling men with mental conditions pretending to be women.

Always keep in mind that the political centre in the US is in a different place from most other western democracies... the political spectrum is more conservative in the US... if you transplanted US Democrat politicians such as Eric Swalwell, Jared Moskowitz, Ted Lieu and Jamie Raskin into UK politics, they would likely slot in as centrist, maybe slightly conservative.
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I think you misunderstood Aber.

In the UK, there is far more acceptance of mainstream science and public opinion in, say, the Labour Party. These opinions are not popular in the Democratic Party, at least from the point of view of the DNC. Democratic voters may be more in line with the idea that sports should be sex-segregated, but that is not where the established Democratic Party is.
 
angrysoba said:
Now, if you are making the claim that Pride and transpeople are explicitly and inherently paedophiles, then you would be correct to make the analogy.
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I make no claims about trans people in general, but it certainly looks like Pride IS inherently an enabler of sexual predation.
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However, this is something I dispute.
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I’m sure you do.
angrysoba said:
Also, stop doing two spaces after your full stops. /punctuation Nazi.
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No. I will not.
 
smartcooky said:
I agree. The left of the left in the UK is completely captured - all in on stamping all over women's rights in favour of coddling men with mental conditions pretending to be women.
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One manifestation of this is the British Medical Association who have issued a statement today. See below for some background on the BMA:

Runswick and her colleagues in the BMA’s Broad Left group used classic hard-left entryist tactics to win election, securing 26 of the 69 council places to achieve what they refer to as ‘multiple changes at multiple levels of the BMA’, and being ‘politically very astute’ by ‘inserting candidates sympathetic’ in key roles. With their political influence they have pushed the BMA to weigh in on an array of hard left causes, such as publicly critiquing the Cass Review into gender identity services for children and young people – despite the BMA, as a trade union, not having any role in the interpretation of medical evidence.
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Ziggurat said:
I make no claims about trans people in general, but it certainly looks like Pride IS inherently an enabler of sexual predation
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Well then people should really call the cops and explain that there is a paedophile parade going on. If you really believe it and do nothing about it I can only assume you are okay with paedophiles.

That said, the "revealed preference" argument would suggest you don't actually believe it. You certainly don't think it is paedophilic in the way that the Nazi Party was anti-semitic. Maybe it attracts some of them, and maybe authorities are too hesitant to run background checks, but I think you would go beyond innuendo if you really believed it.

Ziggurat: "No. I will not."

Okay, but you do know that the computer is not a typewriter and that the extra space is not visible unless you quote someone, right? You do you, but it is a waste of a keystroke.
 
angrysoba said:
Well then people should really call the cops and explain that there is a paedophile parade going on.
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Even in the UK, with its corroding free speech rights, it's not illegal to advocate for policies that make sexual predation easier. And there's nothing I can do against such advocacy except speak up against it. Which I'm doing.
angrysoba said:
Okay, but you do know that the computer is not a typewriter and that the extra space is not visible unless you quote someone, right?
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It's visible while I'm composing my posts. That is enough for me.
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You do you, but it is a waste of a keystroke.
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So was complaining about it, was it not? We aren't so different.
 
Aber said:
One manifestation of this is the British Medical Association who have issued a statement today. See below for some background on the BMA:

....despite the BMA,as a trade union, not having any role in the interpretation of medical evidence.
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Indeed, this is widely misunderstood

Many people, including some here, seem to be under the impression that the BMA is akin to the ABMS, the CDC or the FDA in the US, and that when their representatives speak about things such puberty blockers, gender affirming care and medicine in general, they should be taken notice of because it is the authoritative view of the general medical profession in the UK. This is totally incorrect.

The BMA is strictly a political organization - it does not carry any weight in the wider world in regard to medicine. It is NOT a body that has any responsibility for, or authority over, any aspects of medicine.

- It makes no decisions about medical research - this is in the purview of the Medical Research Council (MRC) and the National Institute for Health and Care Research (NIHR)
- It does not certify doctors - purview of the General Medical Council (GMC)
- It does not certify drugs - purview of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA)
- It does not certify food safety - purview of the Food Standards Agency (FSA)

The BMA is nothing more than a glorified trade union for doctors and nurses.
 
Two significant wins today. Imane Khelif has been told that if he wants to compete in the women's boxing events next week he has to pass a sex test, that is test negative for the SRY gene. And the "Equal Treatment Bench Book" which is guidance for judges, which previously compelled male accused to be referred to with feminine pronouns if they requested it, including imposing this usage on the woman they were accused of raping, has been reissued with much more reasonable instructions.
 
Rolfe said:
Two significant wins today. Imane Khelif has been told that if he wants to compete in the women's boxing events next week he has to pass a sex test, that is test negative for the SRY gene.
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He's very likely to fail that test, and if he does, cue all the teeth-gnashing and pearl-clutching from the TRAs.

Rolfe said:
And the "Equal Treatment Bench Book" which is guidance for judges, which previously compelled male accused to be referred to with feminine pronouns if they requested it, including imposing this usage on the woman they were accused of raping, has been reissued with much more reasonable instructions.
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About time too. Calling a male rapist a woman and referring to him as "she" is blatantly re-victimizing the rape survivor.

Reality is going really start biting them soon, and when it does, the demand for fainting couches will soar.
 
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The test is what I've been saying it should be all along. Functioning SRY gene and functioning androgen receptors and you're out. I note they have specifically written in a loophole to allow CAIS women to take part.

You only need to look at Imane Khelif to see that he has a functioning SRY gene and functioning androgen receptors. Plus this.

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I can't find the exact quote right now, but he said (more or less) that he's a girl like any other girl and there has never been a moment in his life when he didn't consider himself to be a girl or a woman. That is obviously a flat-out lie. Find me just one picture of one other Algerian athlete, any sport, with so much exposed skin and being touched in that way by her coaches. (There is one other boxer who competes for Algeria who doesn't smother herself in cloth, but she was brought up and lives in France and has a French coach, not quite the same thing.)
 
smartcooky said:
Indeed, this is widely misunderstood

Many people, including some here, seem to be under the impression that the BMA is akin to the ABMS, the CDC or the FDA in the US, and that when their representatives speak about things such puberty blockers, gender affirming care and medicine in general, they should be taken notice of because it is the authoritative view of the general medical profession in the UK. This is totally incorrect.

The BMA is strictly a political organization - it does not carry any weight in the wider world in regard to medicine. It is NOT a body that has any responsibility for, or authority over, any aspects of medicine.

- It makes no decisions about medical research - this is in the purview of the Medical Research Council (MRC) and the National Institute for Health and Care Research (NIHR)
- It does not certify doctors - purview of the General Medical Council (GMC)
- It does not certify drugs - purview of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA)
- It does not certify food safety - purview of the Food Standards Agency (FSA)

The BMA is nothing more than a glorified trade union for doctors and nurses.
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Really interesting post: I did not know that. Thanks. (y)
 
Rolfe said:
I don't really know where to put this. I thought there was a thread about DSDs but I don't know how to find it. Anyway it's all over the papers, including the Telegraph.

Medical report leaked that ‘proves Imane Khelif is biological male’

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This is the one. I think it is more appropriate there than here as DSDs are, very vociferously, declared to be a different thing to transgenderism in this thread.

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Merged Thread 'Strict biological definitions of male/female'

Resolved: Hilton, Wright, & Heying are essentially correct about what makes a mammal either female or male.

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But yes, the ball is in Khalif’s court now.
 
angrysoba said:
This is the one. I think it is more appropriate there than here as DSDs are, very vociferously, declared to be a different thing to transgenderism in this thread.
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The debate about trans rights in public policy would be very different, if it were actually about finding the right sports league for men with DSDs.
 
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