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Car Incident in Liverpool

Jack by the hedge said:
As Lawrence Fox carefully and helpfully explained (before the man's description was released): "You can't hate them enough".
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He is not quite right in the head. I was reading a recent article about a Muslim guy who helped put a stop to the German woman's knife attack on up to 17 people at Hamburg Station. The press agency explained they were publicising the credentials of the hero as being a Muslim recent immigrant to offset the German public's perception that they are the bad guys in this type of crime against the random public. The article explained that this perception has arisen because crime committed by non-native Germans, as it were, received five times the amount of media publicity, when in reality, the crime statistics show they do not commit any more crime than any other ethnic group.

Yes, driving cars into a crowd is associated with the jihadist stuff of attacking infidels but being done by a non-illegal muslimist assyligrant doesn't stop the far right haters from hating.

Is Lozza's view of the world improved by the news the driver was a 'white, British 53-yr-old guy'? I mean, how do we know this goes back to William the Conqueror, or before? A large percentage of Liverpool's population is of Irish stock and many do not identify as being British at all. So are we going to have a full genetic profile of this type of criminal in future just so the Lozza's of the world stop hating?


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Vixen said:
He is not quite right in the head.
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And alas he has an audience for his lunacy.
Vixen said:
Is Lozza's view of the world improved by the news the driver was a 'white, British 53-yr-old guy'?
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If some of his audience notice that his kneejerk reaction was wrong, maybe some will be a bit slower to reach for the pitchforks and blazing torches. That would be an improvement.
 
Oh for Christ’s sake. What was the race of the Christchurch mass murderer? I didn’t see anyone demanding a Muslim before hating him.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
The mob wanted revenge on Muslims. The actual perpetrator being Christian is obviously relevant.
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He was 'from a Christian family'' it doesn't mean he was 'Christian'. In fact, like many totally messed up teens he was obsessed with online stuff such as downloading an Al-Queda manual and stuff about how to produce ricin poison; completely anti-social, preoccupied with the Rwanda massacres (which his parents had fled) was in the radar of anti-radicalisation organisations. At the end of the day, he could have been any misogynist incel with Tate-style fantasies of going after girls and getting fifteen minutes of Andy Warhol-type fame.

Back in the day there was a poisoner called Graham Young, who notoriously systematically poisoned his workmates. No-one cared about his race or religion.

It becomes relevant when the perp is acting out of racial or religious ideology, for example, Muslim jihadists or neo-nazi fifth columnists who have an interest in exploiting racist issues.


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Vixen said:
Back in the day there was a poisoner called Graham Young, who notoriously systematically poisoned his workmates. No-one cared about his race or religion.

It becomes relevant when the perp is acting out of racial or religious ideology, for example, Muslim jihadists or neo-nazi fifth columnists who have an interest in exploiting racist issues.
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It also becomes relevant when racist scum will try to stir up Islamophobic violence by saying the perpetrator was a Muslim.
 
Seems like the police may have been acting under recommendations published just three weeks ago.

www.bbc.co.uk

Why police released details about Liverpool crash suspect so quickly

The decision shows lessons have been learned from the Southport attacks last summer, writes Daniel Sandford.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

In a report published earlier this month into last summer's events, His Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services said the police service "must do more to communicate online" and "fill the information void with the truth".

"Forces must provide a true narrative online to reach people who may be searching for information," it added.
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Meanwhile this is interesting too, currently on the BBC live coverage. The bolding is the BBC's. That seems really unusual - no other articles on the entire page have bolded phrases. Of course the bolded phrases are quite leading toward a certain conclusion.
In our last post we heard from Ross Welsh, a Liverpool fan who was at the parade yesterday. The BBC has spoken to several other eyewitnesses - here's what some of them have told us:

Matthew O'Carroll, 28, from Runcorn, said the car was travelling at a "decent" speed and that the driver had been beeping as he went through the crowd.

A woman called Chelsea, who was at the parade with her friend and her friend's daughter, said the car "skimmed us" and it would have hit them if the horn was not going off.

BBC reporter Matt Cole described seeing a car ploughing through the crowd that "just wasn't stopping", adding that it was being chased by a group of men "trying to bang on the side of it and throw things at it".

Harry Rashid said he also saw people hitting the vehicle's windows before it ploughed forward, with some managing to briefly open the door.
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The thing we still don't know about is how the incident started.

All the descriptions I've seen have been from after the trouble kicked off, and seem possibly consistent with the driver trying to get away rather than wade into the crowd, using his car as a weapon in a panic, with people chasing, beating on his car and its back window smashed.

Previous terrorist incidents make us leap to assume this started with the driver deliberately ramming the crowd. I have a suspicion this will prove to be something else.
 
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Shrinker said:
Seems like the police may have been acting under recommendations published just three weeks ago.

www.bbc.co.uk

Why police released details about Liverpool crash suspect so quickly

The decision shows lessons have been learned from the Southport attacks last summer, writes Daniel Sandford.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk



Meanwhile this is interesting too, currently on the BBC live coverage. The bolding is the BBC's. That seems really unusual - no other articles on the entire page have bolded phrases. Of course the bolded phrases are quite leading toward a certain conclusion.
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Yes, I noticed that in an article by... sorry for this... The Daily Mail.

There is a claim that the car had initially got behind the cordon by tail-gating an ambulance.

At some point, people started smacking the car, whether the driver provoked that or not, I don't know.

Then later someone pulled the wiper off the back window.

I think the driver reacted by suddenly reversing or using the car to attack people who were already damaging his car.

Then at some point he sped off and through the crowd.

This is one of the reasons why I think it may have been a road rage incident that became more and more extreme through the driver's attempts to escape.

Admittedly, this is speculation.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Child among four 'seriously ill' in hospital after Liverpool crash

A total of 27 people have been taken to hospital following the horrific incident, with four still seriously injured - including a child who was one of four trapped under the car when firefighters arrived.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
angrysoba said:
Yes, I noticed that in an article by... sorry for this... The Daily Mail.

There is a claim that the car had initially got behind the cordon by tail-gating an ambulance.

At some point, people started smacking the car, whether the driver provoked that or not, I don't know.

Then later someone pulled the wiper off the back window.

I think the driver reacted by suddenly reversing or using the car to attack people who were already damaging his car.

Then at some point he sped off and through the crowd.

This is one of the reasons why I think it may have been a road rage incident that became more and more extreme through the driver's attempts to escape.

Admittedly, this is speculation.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Child among four 'seriously ill' in hospital after Liverpool crash

A total of 27 people have been taken to hospital following the horrific incident, with four still seriously injured - including a child who was one of four trapped under the car when firefighters arrived.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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That is not road rage. That is wanton reckless intent to cause harm or even death. His beeping is not ipso facto his warning people, it could be seen as an act of aggression to startle and alarm everyone in his path for the fun of seeing them jump out of the way or land on his windscreen. A spiteful malicious act. There is no justification for having four people, including a child, trapped under your car.


"I had a medical incident, M'Lud. My foot got stuck on the gas and I couldn't move it away. Sorry about that."

"Case dismissed."


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