Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

[Bill Williams]

Vixen wrote

Knox wrote short stories about Tate-like rapes and killings, she had 'Edgar' carry a kitchen knife out of a drawer. The more I consider the case, the more I believe Mignini's instincts were right first time. A macabre halloween-themed 'crime scene' whodunnit, with teasing faked burglary, Mez positioned like a porno panel from one of RS' horror-porno manga comics. Both expressing strong anti-social sentiments on their various social media, both enjoying shocking people. Giofreddi saw RS and AK with Mez and RG walking down the road the day before. RG and RS might not have nown each other personally but had certainly met, with AK as the go between them. AK absolutely loving all the attention. First to 'find the body' (RS to Kate Mansey of the Daily Mirror) and as broadcast to her friends on the phone at the Questura, first to know Mez 'Had her throat slit', first to know 'Of course, she ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ suffered!', first to know her body was by the wardrobe (where she died), first to know about the scream, enacted it by covering her ears every time the police or Mignini mentioned it, even called her cat 'Screams'! Absolutely basking in her notoriety. Even have the cheek to demand €2m in compensation for the terrible, terrible thing they did.

First off, this thread began with your claim that the prosecution did not have to enter evidence about premeditation. That was a strawman, because the issue was, that ALL the courts, including the convicting one, found that there WAS NO premeditation, regardless of what the prosecutors did or didn't do. As a result, the convicting courts had to invent an innocent reason for the knife from Raffaele's being transported to the cottage.

Then, you go off on a factoid-laden, word-salad about 'Tate-like rapes and killings', without presenting any proof, none at all, that that had been written about. It's no good asking for your proof of THAT, because that just takes us even further from the original discussion about premeditation.

This is not about what you think about, nor what Mignini's instincts might or might not have been. The point is that there was no premeditation found by any court. None.

You also seem to know people's inner thoughts. That's quite the skill.

You've think I would learn that that's what you do.

Also, for the sake of decency, please refrain from using the familiar name for the victim. You don't know the woman, nor do you represent her family, who by mu reckoning hold the sole right to call her by that name. It's just creepy that an anonymous poster to this forum would claim that name...

 

[Bill Williams]

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[Stacyhs]

The prosecution didn't argue premeditation because it did not need to. It already had 'Aggravated Murder' on the charge sheet so adding premeditation was pointless.

Your evidence of this is exactly what? Or is this another assfact?

Of course it was premeditated. Knox tearing out all of the pages in her diary for the end of October,

Sigh. It wasn't a diary. It was a notebook which she used for other things, too. Have you considered she tore out those pages because she used them for homework? But, no. For you everything has one and only one explanation and it's always to Knox's and Sollecito's detriment.

carrying the knife in her bag to the cottage,

This is one of the dumbest stories Massei invented out of thin air and you're just repeating it. Do you think Knox would carry a knife 31 cm long with an UNPROTECTED 17.5 cm blade ( 12" long, 7" blade) around in her purse for 'protection'? It's especially stupid when you consider RS had a couple flip knives she could have carried safely. Additionally, her cloth bag she supposedly carried it around in had NO evidence of a 7" long, sharp blade: no cuts or punctures.

downloading Wonderful World of Amélie in advance as the 'alibi',

Wow. Stop embarrassing yourself. The movie ENDED at 9:10 so that is hardly an alibi for an attack and murder that was already in progress. Naruto was DOWNLOADED at 9:26 and watched until 9:46.
Then there's the prosecution claim that MK wasn't killed until around 11:00-11:30. How does a movie ending at 9:10 give them an alibi?

You've been asked this before,, but in typical Vixen style, you ignore answering any questions you can't give a plausible answer for.

getting Sollecito's father to provide an alibi for his wayward son re time of the 'flood' in RS's apartment.

LOL! Sheesh.

Both turning off their phones ahead of the evening's events.

You've already been given the times and events of why they turned off their phones as supported by Popovic and the Lumumba texts. But, per usual, you ignore it and continue to push a guilt centric interpretation. God forbid anything has a non-inculpatory explanation for you.

Knox only switching hers back on midday next day, ringing just one of Mez' phones.

Wow. She called BOTH the English and the Italian phones. Stop lying.

Claiming they tried to bang on Mez' door and kick it down. (Why not ring Mez from there and listen to see if it rings?).

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. Knox rang Kercher three times with no answer BEFORE they knocked on or tried to break down the door. She called Kercher at 12:08, 12:11:02, 12:11:54. That is before the pair went back to the apartment and discovered the break-in. At 12:20:44 FR called AK at RS' apartment. At 12:34:56 FR calls AK at the cottage. See the phone logs.

The front door supposedly swinging open next morning.

You mean the door both Italian roommates confirmed would blow open if not locked with the key. THAT door?

Only ringing the carabinieri when the postale police unexpectedly turned up.

EYE ROLL. This is a classic example of your picking and choosing only that which supports your narrative. Even Massei ruled it was made BEFORE the postales arrived. I've previously presented the evidence that FIVE calls were made by RS and AK during the time the postales claim to have been there and which neither Battistelli no Marsi witnessed. But, per usual, you just ignore whatever doesn't suit you.
We all know why you refuse to address that: it wasn't possible.

Knox saying Filomena's door was shut whilst RS telling police it was wide open and he could see there had been a burglary,

No, he didn't. THIS is what he said in his book:

Then I pushed open Filomena’s door, which had been left slightly ajar,

And what Amanda wrote:

Then I opened Filomena’s door. I gasped. The window had been shattered and glass was everywhere.....
I shouted to Raffaele, who was right behind me.

Sounds to me like they pretty much entered at the same time and have slightly different memories of who went in first. Naturally, this slight discrepancy is massive evidence of them lying for you.

yet Knox claiming to have taken a shower in the dark and without heating

Ahem. Normally you claim she couldn't get dressed in the dark and now it's to take a shower. You mean it was dark at 10:30 in the morning on a sunny day and no light was coming in through the bathroom window?
Why turn on the heat to take a hot shower when you're going to leave afterward?

but claming to not notice her lamp was missing, despite that being the only electric source of light.

Yeah, we all need to turn on our bedside table lamp in a room with a window and light coming from immediately across the hall at 10:45ish on a bright, sunny day. Look at photos of Nov 2: not a cloud in the sky.

The mise-en-scène clearly tells you this was all planned and organised and put into effect as soon as an opportunity arose, to enact their depraved fantasy, fueled by drugs. Like Leopold and Loeb, their mistakes were their undoing. Yet AK is still making money out of the gullible.

LOL! I suggest you take this to TJMK where they'll believe this nonsense. No one here falls for it.

 

[Stacyhs]

Knox wrote short stories about Tate-like rapes and killings, she had 'Edgar' carry a kitchen knife out of a drawer. The more I consider the case, the more I believe Mignini's instincts were right first time. A macabre halloween-themed 'crime scene' whodunnit, with teasing faked burglary, Mez positioned like a porno panel from one of RS' horror-porno manga comics. Both expressing strong anti-social sentiments on their various social media, both enjoying shocking people. Giofreddi saw RS and AK with Mez and RG walking down the road the day before. RG and RS might not have nown each other personally but had certainly met, with AK as the go between them. AK absolutely loving all the attention. First to 'find the body' (RS to Kate Mansey of the Daily Mirror) and as broadcast to her friends on the phone at the Questura, first to know Mez 'Had her throat slit', first to know 'Of course, she ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ suffered!', first to know her body was by the wardrobe (where she died), first to know about the scream, enacted it by covering her ears every time the police or Mignini mentioned it, even called her cat 'Screams'! Absolutely basking in her notoriety. Even have the cheek to demand €2m in compensation for the terrible, terrible thing they did.

My goodness. It's like listening to a certain president at a rally in Florida. Devoid of truth.

 

[Numbers]

Readers here may be interested in the career accomplishments and credentials of Peter Gill, since he has written about the errors or misconduct by the Italian authorities in the forensic DNA profiling of the Knox - Sollecito case and PGP posters have attacked his credibility.

Gill's CV (dated 2017) is available online; see:

https://mastergeneticaforense.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/cv-Gill.pdf

Gill has a University of Oslo - Institute of Clinical Medicine - Department of Forensic Medicine webpage listing his publications:

Peter Gill - Institute of Clinical Medicine

Read this story on the University of Oslo's website.

www.med.uio.no

From Gill's University of Oslo webpage, one can access the abstract of a recent article that he co-authored that presents evidence that human DNA may be extracted from air and air conditioners in rooms recently or previously, respectively, occupied by humans:

Up in the air: Presence and collection of DNA from air and air conditioner units​

Goray, Mariya; Taylor, Duncan; Bibbo, Emily; Patel, Dhruvi; Fantinato, Chiara; Fonneløp, Ane Elida; Gill, Peter; vanOorschot, Roland A. H.

Electrophoresis. 2024, 45 (9-10),933-947

Biological material is routinely collected at crime scenes and from exhibits and is a key type of evidence during criminal investigations. Touch or trace DNA samples from surfaces and objects deemed to have been contacted are frequently collected. However, a person of interest may not leave any traces on contacted surfaces, for example, if wearing gloves. A novel means of sampling human DNA from air offers additional avenues for DNA collection. In the present study, we report on the results of a pilot study into the prevalence and persistence of human DNA in the air. The first aspect of the pilot study investigates air conditioner units that circulate air around a room, by sampling units located in four offices and four houses at different time frames post-cleaning. The second aspect investigates the ability to collect human DNA from the air in rooms, with and without people, for different periods of time and with different types of collection filters. Results of this pilot study show that human DNA can be collected on air conditioner unit surfaces and from the air, with air samples representing the more recent occupation while air conditioner units showing historic use of the room.

Source: https://www.duo.uio.no/handle/10852/113973

The finding by Gill's group and others* that DNA can be found in the air may provide a possible explanation for the presence of DNA contamination in the DNA knife blade sample 36B of the Knox - Sollecito case. It's known from Stefanoni's testimony and her records that she had been doing extensive work with Kercher's DNA reference samples during the time she also was working on the knife blade samples. For sample 36B, she repeatedly used an aspirator (a suction device) to increase the concentration of the DNA that she assumed was in the sample (her quantitation step, with the Qubit Fluorometer, showed that any DNA in the sample was too low for the device to quantify). One can speculate that the repeated aspirations Stefanoni performed on sample 36B resulted in the capture into the sample of a minute bit of Kercher's (possibly degraded) DNA.

* See:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/health/human-dna-captured-from-air-scn

Researchers can now collect and sequence DNA from the air

We shed DNA everywhere. That includes the air, according to a new study.

www.livescience.com

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875176822001068

 

[Vixen]

Your evidence of this is exactly what? Or is this another assfact?


Sigh. It wasn't a diary. It was a notebook which she used for other things, too. Have you considered she tore out those pages because she used them for homework? But, no. For you everything has one and only one explanation and it's always to Knox's and Sollecito's detriment.


This is one of the dumbest stories Massei invented out of thin air and you're just repeating it. Do you think Knox would carry a knife 31 cm long with an UNPROTECTED 17.5 cm blade ( 12" long, 7" blade) around in her purse for 'protection'? It's especially stupid when you consider RS had a couple flip knives she could have carried safely. Additionally, her cloth bag she supposedly carried it around in had NO evidence of a 7" long, sharp blade: no cuts or punctures.



Wow. Stop embarrassing yourself. The movie ENDED at 9:10 so that is hardly an alibi for an attack and murder that was already in progress. Naruto was DOWNLOADED at 9:26 and watched until 9:46.
Then there's the prosecution claim that MK wasn't killed until around 11:00-11:30. How does a movie ending at 9:10 give them an alibi?

You've been asked this before,, but in typical Vixen style, you ignore answering any questions you can't give a plausible answer for.

LOL! Sheesh.

You've already been given the times and events of why they turned off their phones as supported by Popovic and the Lumumba texts. But, per usual, you ignore it and continue to push a guilt centric interpretation. God forbid anything has a non-inculpatory explanation for you.


Wow. She called BOTH the English and the Italian phones. Stop lying.


Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. Knox rang Kercher three times with no answer BEFORE they knocked on or tried to break down the door. She called Kercher at 12:08, 12:11:02, 12:11:54. That is before the pair went back to the apartment and discovered the break-in. At 12:20:44 FR called AK at RS' apartment. At 12:34:56 FR calls AK at the cottage. See the phone logs.

You mean the door both Italian roommates confirmed would blow open if not locked with the key. THAT door?

EYE ROLL. This is a classic example of your picking and choosing only that which supports your narrative. Even Massei ruled it was made BEFORE the postales arrived. I've previously presented the evidence that FIVE calls were made by RS and AK during the time the postales claim to have been there and which neither Battistelli no Marsi witnessed. But, per usual, you just ignore whatever doesn't suit you.
We all know why you refuse to address that: it wasn't possible.


No, he didn't. THIS is what he said in his book:

And what Amanda wrote:


Sounds to me like they pretty much entered at the same time and have slightly different memories of who went in first. Naturally, this slight discrepancy is massive evidence of them lying for you.


Ahem. Normally you claim she couldn't get dressed in the dark and now it's to take a shower. You mean it was dark at 10:30 in the morning on a sunny day and no light was coming in through the bathroom window?
Why turn on the heat to take a hot shower when you're going to leave afterward?


Yeah, we all need to turn on our bedside table lamp in a room with a window and light coming from immediately across the hall at 10:45ish on a bright, sunny day. Look at photos of Nov 2: not a cloud in the sky.


LOL! I suggest you take this to TJMK where they'll believe this nonsense. No one here falls for it.

Do you ever read back your posts? Try it.


BTW fact: AK rang just Mez' Italian phone before ringing Filomena to say she was worried about her. Phone log fact.


In addition, AK rang her mother before the door was broken down. Her mother was visibly surprised when AK denied it. In court she claimed she couldn't remember calling her mother. Such a liar. No wonder not even her own mother believes she's innocent. The whole PR thing is to protect the family's 'reputation' and nothing more. Likewise RS who has cost his famiily an absolute fortune.





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[Vixen]

My goodness. It's like listening to a certain president at a rally in Florida. Devoid of truth.

You're the one with the characteristic 'MAGA'-style group think.

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[AmyStrange]

"Do you ever read back your posts? Try it."

Holy smokes! I don't need an irony meter for this one.


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[TruthCalls]

Do you ever read back your posts? Try it.


BTW fact: AK rang just Mez' Italian phone before ringing Filomena to say she was worried about her. Phone log fact.


In addition, AK rang her mother before the door was broken down. Her mother was visibly surprised when AK denied it. In court she claimed she couldn't remember calling her mother. Such a liar. No wonder not even her own mother believes she's innocent. The whole PR thing is to protect the family's 'reputation' and nothing more. Likewise RS who has cost his famiily an absolute fortune.

Phone log fact - Amanda called Meredith's English phone prior to calling Filomena, not her Italian one. Just another 'fact' you got wrong. She then called Filomena, followed by calling Meredith's Italian and English phones again. All of this happened within 4.5 minutes. So what was your point?

She rang her mother because she was concerned about the open door/blood in the bathroom/feces in the toilet, so the fact that the door hadn't been broken down yet is irrelevant. Her mother was surprised because most people, under normal circumstances, would remember calling their mother. As there is zero reason to have lied about it, it's obvious she truly did forget she called and wasn't lying. In fact, what this really proves is that Amanda was deeply distressed over Meredith's murder. But it's not surprising you'd think this is an example of her lying - you're incapable of seeing things any other way.

Amazing, you still think you can read other peoples minds. No, Edda knows very well her daughter is innocent. She knows this because in Amanda's 37 years on this planet she has never harmed anyone, she's never shown anger or violence towards anyone. Mother's know, obsessive Internet trolls do not. It's just your sick little fantasy that thinks otherwise.

No, Marriott was hired to handle media requests for the family. You weren't there, you weren't involved, you don't know the family and you certainly don't know why they did the things they did, so you should really stop pretending you do.

No, Mignini cost Raffaele's family a fortune - a fortune to defend him against false accusations. What was the point of this anyway?

 

[TruthCalls]

All of the items passed into evidence, together with the issues, are decided in trial prehearings. The parties would have all agreed on what constitutes the evidence to be referred to. It is at these numerous pre-hearings that the defence would have raised objections if any. If something is passed into the evidence file/exhibits file, then it has been authorised by the courts via the correct legal processes, with the defence given every opportunity to lodge an objection. LCN evidence is perfectly valid. Given the knife, blood, phone logs and luminol, together with Sollecito's false alibi, which he never rectified, the court looked at ALL of the allowable evidence, and all the issues, as agreed in advance by all of the parties.

My, but you can ramble on with non sequiturs. None of the crap you just spewed changes the fact that Stefanoni AND the courts ignored forensic standards that are clearly documented in ENFSI, a set of procedures and protocols that Italy is obligated to follow.

 

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With Italy having "finally" re-convicted Knox of calunnia against Lumumba, one would think that Italy would promptly present an Action Plan or even an Action Report to the CoM to bring the supervision of the case to a conclusion. But as of today, there is no indication on HUDOC EXEC that Italy has taken any action to inform the CoM of any change in the status of the case. The DEJ/CoM continues to report for this case, and for 8 other cases against Italy, that it is seeking an AP/AR through bilateral contacts.

I suspect Italy is ignoring the CoM supervision in the Knox case so that unless Knox lodges another application to the ECHR alleging unfairness in the re-conviction it can avoid any accountability in the case. This may also be Italy's motivation for not responding to the DEJ/CoM in the other pending cases before the CoM.

 

[Numbers]

My, but you can ramble on with non sequiturs. None of the crap you just spewed changes the fact that Stefanoni AND the courts ignored forensic standards that are clearly documented in ENFSI, a set of procedures and protocols that Italy is obligated to follow.

The obligation to follow procedures may be on the lab member rather than on the country. The "obligation" may not be an enforceable agreement but a promise by the lab "to comply with best practice and international standards for quality and competence assurance".

It is likely up to the courts of the individual countries to determine whether lab work presented in a trial conforms to the international standards as presented in ENFSI official documents or other official scientific-technological documents. For example, if a lab obtained a result with certain equipment but had not followed the equipment manufacturer's recommendations for using that equipment, and it is stated or understood that those recommendations must be followed to obtain reliable forensic results, a fair court would reject those improperly obtained results as inadmissible or as not suitable for inferring a fact.

The purpose of ENFSI as a network of experts is to share knowledge, exchange experiences and come to mutual agreements in the field of forensic science.

Members are expected, whenever possible, to adopt the resolutions and recommendations given by the Membership, Board, Committees and ENFSI Expert Working Groups.

The lab that Stefanoni was in was the Italian State Police lab in Rome:

Direzione Centrale Anticrimine della Polizia di Stato, Servizio Polizia Scientifica (DAC-SPS)
Central Anticrime Directorate of Italian National Police, Forensic Science Police Service (DAC-SPS)

ENFSI member since 1994

See:

https://enfsi.eu/about-enfsi/

https://enfsi.eu/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/230921-ENFSI-Constitution.pdf

Article 6, paragraph 6
The ENFSI Constitution was approved on 24 May 2023.

 

[TomG]

With Italy having "finally" re-convicted Knox of calunnia against Lumumba, one would think that Italy would promptly present an Action Plan or even an Action Report to the CoM to bring the supervision of the case to a conclusion. But as of today, there is no indication on HUDOC EXEC that Italy has taken any action to inform the CoM of any change in the status of the case. The DEJ/CoM continues to report for this case, and for 8 other cases against Italy, that it is seeking an AP/AR through bilateral contacts.

I suspect Italy is ignoring the CoM supervision in the Knox case so that unless Knox lodges another application to the ECHR alleging unfairness in the re-conviction it can avoid any accountability in the case. This may also be Italy's motivation for not responding to the DEJ/CoM in the other pending cases before the CoM.

The excuse is going to be something like:

We reopened the case using the memoriale as valid evidence. The appellant, Amanda Knox was represented by her lawyers and could speak fluent Italian so no interpreter was needed during the recent proceedings. The Supreme Court upheld the conviction. Restitutio ad integrum has been achieved as a result of those actions. We therefore consider the proceedings to be closed.

It's now up to Amanda to counter this by listing their reasons why those proceedings were phoney.

The first one is that the memoriale is obviously tainted by the previous human rights violations. This is apparent when Amanda said "I am very confused at this time" when writing the memoriale.

The second is that access to a lawyer would have provided a steadying hand and might have allowed Amanda to be more emphatic in her retraction, or at least advise her on the content. The memoriale is clearly written in an atmosphere of fear since she is trying to withdraw her compliance, but in such a way as not to encourage further confrontation.

Another is that the ECHR might have considered the 1st and 2nd memoriale's to be the same document. I which case, the courts have not considered the whole evidence.

Maybe more...

Hoots

 

[Welshman]

They did doctor it. My pic is a direct photo of what appeared on Netflix. Heavily darkened to hide the high level of illumination and with a great sign saying 'inconclusive', which was a blatant piece of misinformation designed to mislead the viewer.

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The actual pic used as evidence in court and the DNA accepted as Mez' (not 'inconclusive' at all!) :


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It's pretty disgusting when people deliberately set out to falsify the details of a horrible murder.





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You're just repeating C&V's dishonest claims, funded by US 'innocence campaigners'. It wasn't their place to rebel against the system, in cahoots with the obviously bribed Hellmann.




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One thing I have to give to guilters is that they are completely shameless in their hypocrisy. They accuse C&V of of being dishonest whilst slavishly supporting Stefanoni who lied as I pointed out in my post. In addition, Vixen as per the list below has told lies about the knife

Post dated 10.05.2016

Claim: Only one was of sufficient quality to produce a near full profile (15 alleles : legal standard UK =10) of the murder victim, Mez.

Truth: The prosecution never claimed there were 15 alleles on the knife.

Post dated 11.05.2016

The defence on all sides have agreed without challenge that the DNA on the knife did indeed yield a near perfect profile of Mez.

Truth: The defence teams have never accepted there was a full DNA profile of Meredith on the knife and there is no record of this.

Post dated 22.03.2016

Claim: Stefanoni found 12 bits of tissue on the blade.

Truth: Stefanoni found no such tissue on the blade and the prosecution have never claimed there was any human biological material on the blade. When C&V tested the knife it was negative for the human species.

Guilters attack Amanda for falsely accusing Lumumba of a crime but make false allegations Hellman was bribed. Guilters attack Amanda for lying and then spread malicious lies about people.

 

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The excuse is going to be something like:

We reopened the case using the memoriale as valid evidence. The appellant, Amanda Knox was represented by her lawyers and could speak fluent Italian so no interpreter was needed during the recent proceedings. The Supreme Court upheld the conviction. Restitutio ad integrum has been achieved as a result of those actions. We therefore consider the proceedings to be closed.

It's now up to Amanda to counter this by listing their reasons why those proceedings were phoney.

The first one is that the memoriale is obviously tainted by the previous human rights violations. This is apparent when Amanda said "I am very confused at this time" when writing the memoriale.

The second is that access to a lawyer would have provided a steadying hand and might have allowed Amanda to be more emphatic in her retraction, or at least advise her on the content. The memoriale is clearly written in an atmosphere of fear since she is trying to withdraw her compliance, but in such a way as not to encourage further confrontation.n

Another is that the ECHR might have considered the 1st and 2nd memoriale's to be the same document. I which case, the courts have not considered the whole evidence.

Maybe more...

Hoots

One avenue I see for an approach by the ECHR, assuming that Knox lodges a new application claiming the re-trial and thus re-conviction was unfair, would be for the ECHR judgment to conclude that the confused wording of Memoriales 1 and 2 are evidence that Knox had suffered a psychological lesion which had been induced by the alleged mistreatment of her by the police during the interrogation, and thus not usable as evidence. This concept is similar to yours but emphasizes that there is thus evidence that there was a violation of Article 3, and the ECHR accepts that the alleged mistreatment did occur. Then there is no doubt that trial is unfair, and the evidence following from a violation of Article 3 cannot be used under international law. However, this approach is my speculation and does not exactly match current ECHR case law, since current case law seems to require lesions to be observable damage to the body.

The approach you suggest, where there is probably no need to invoke a violation of Article 3, may be a simpler and less assertive or expansive position for the ECHR.

 

[Stacyhs]

Do you ever read back your posts? Try it.

BTW fact: AK rang just Mez' Italian phone before ringing Filomena to say she was worried about her. Phone log fact.

Move those goalposts! You claimed that "Knox only switching hers back on midday next day, ringing just one of Mez' phones." Now you move the goalpost to "before ringing Filomena." Immediately after ringing Filomena, Knox call Kercher's IT phone, so she did not ring "just one of Meredith's phones". Phone log fact.

In addition, AK rang her mother before the door was broken down. Her mother was visibly surprised when AK denied it. In court she claimed she couldn't remember calling her mother. Such a liar.

So WHAT if she didn't remember exactly when she called her mother or exactly what she said to her in those 3 phone calls among so many that day? How is that evidence of murder?

This is your habitual "Knox and Sollecito must have a 100% perfect memory with no consideration for the chaos of that day or being traumatized, confused, stressed, and overwhelmed. If their memory isn't perfect with all the details or if they deviate by 0.05%, then you accuse them of lying.

But if Stefanoni 'forgets' to mention the multiple, critical negative TMB blood results? That's just fine.

It's OK if Stefanoni only reports Kercher's and Sollecito's DNA was on the bra hook when, in fact, there was DNA of two other men.

It's OK if Ficarra, Zugarini, or Raffo wrongly paraphrased Knox's text reply to Lumumba in the Nov. 5/6 deposition as "Ho riposto al messaggio dicendogli che ci saremmo visti subito," which means "I replied to his message saying I would see him immediately." That gives the distinct impression Knox was meeting Lumumba that night when she didn't.

It's OK that Stefanoni lied in court in 2011 when she said, "We never touched the bra clasp without using tweezers," and then "OK. We may have touched it, but only with clean gloves," both of which are beautifully disproved by the police video showing no tweezers were used and the clasp being picked up, dropped, and passed around by visibly dirty and admittedly unchanged gloves.

No wonder not even her own mother believes she's innocent. The whole PR thing is to protect the family's 'reputation' and nothing more. Likewise RS who has cost his famiily an absolute fortune.

You've written some crazy, outlandish things before, but this takes the prize. You've actually convinced yourself that her mother and his father think they're guilty. Are you really that desperate? Apparently so.

 

[Stacyhs]

You're the one with the characteristic 'MAGA'-style group think.

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Desperate much?

 

[Stacyhs]

Still waiting for Vixen to quote and cite the evidence that 36 B had a "full 15 allele profile" of Kercher.

But we all know it's never coming.

 

[Vixen]

Phone log fact - Amanda called Meredith's English phone prior to calling Filomena, not her Italian one. Just another 'fact' you got wrong. She then called Filomena, followed by calling Meredith's Italian and English phones again. All of this happened within 4.5 minutes. So what was your point?

She rang her mother because she was concerned about the open door/blood in the bathroom/feces in the toilet, so the fact that the door hadn't been broken down yet is irrelevant. Her mother was surprised because most people, under normal circumstances, would remember calling their mother. As there is zero reason to have lied about it, it's obvious she truly did forget she called and wasn't lying. In fact, what this really proves is that Amanda was deeply distressed over Meredith's murder. But it's not surprising you'd think this is an example of her lying - you're incapable of seeing things any other way.

Amazing, you still think you can read other peoples minds. No, Edda knows very well her daughter is innocent. She knows this because in Amanda's 37 years on this planet she has never harmed anyone, she's never shown anger or violence towards anyone. Mother's know, obsessive Internet trolls do not. It's just your sick little fantasy that thinks otherwise.

No, Marriott was hired to handle media requests for the family. You weren't there, you weren't involved, you don't know the family and you certainly don't know why they did the things they did, so you should really stop pretending you do.

No, Mignini cost Raffaele's family a fortune - a fortune to defend him against false accusations. What was the point of this anyway?

Given Knox was supposedly worried about her 'friend', why only ring the one. Obviously, Knox knew the two had been removed from Mez' possession so if no-one answered one, no need to bother with the other, except as a cursory exercise. Think about it. She could have put her ear to Mez' door to hear if it rang.


How cruel is that, removing Mez' phones to stop her from calling for help or saying goodbye to her mother.


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My, but you can ramble on with non sequiturs. None of the crap you just spewed changes the fact that Stefanoni AND the courts ignored forensic standards that are clearly documented in ENFSI, a set of procedures and protocols that Italy is obligated to follow.

There is zero evidence Stefanoni did anything wrong. It is pure hatred from AK and RS because they were convicted by her objective scientific forensic evidence, with Valter Patumi there as RS' expert witness for the knife and Prof Torre for the bra clasp. Everything was done by the book, and to legal standards. Peter Gill never had access to the original material, he simply borrowed from the unprincipled C&V and was never cross-examined nor his views tested. Of course the defence is going to try and cast doubt on it. It is par for the course. Kohberger's defence is doing all of that doubt stuff for Kohberger; it is what the defence is hired to do. It is the court that ultimately decides the verdict.