Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Ziggurat]

I haven't even heard the term "Chad" other than in relation to voting in the 2008 presidential election.

More than you probably want to know:

Chad

The Internet slang term Chad (or chad) is a generic name used to refer to several types of supposedly dominant male figures: a strong, handsome man who attracts women; an obliviously entitled man; an effortlessly formidable man, and an exceptional instance referred to as a Gigachad. The...

www.merriam-webster.com

ETA: these associations vary from country to country. Apparently in Germany, the name Kevin is associated with idiots.
Kevin isn’t a name, it’s a diagnosis

 

[Rolfe]

Every day is a school day.

 

[Pixel42]

The term is somewhat like "Chad". It is a stand in to represent not any particular person (real or fictional), but a particular sort of person. In the case of Karen, it indicates the sort of person who sticks their nose in where it doesn't belong, feels entitled to special treatment, and demands to speak to the manager.

Names go into and out of fashion. My understanding is that Karen was a very popular name with a certain demographic for a while. As a result there really are quite a lot of women named Karen who "stick their nose in where it doesn't belong, feel entitled to special treatment, and demand to speak to the manager".

 

[Matthew Best]

Its pretty much explained in the link

"Do you want to perform at Pride? We are looking for performers for Stroud Pride.​

Please fill out the performer application on our Linktree​

​

Just to note: We will be taking extra care to not allow performers who hold harmful views. Such as LGB views that exclude trans people from pride.​

In essence, any Gender Critical Gays and Lesbians who believe T should be separate from LGB will not be permitted to perform. TRAs hate free speech unless its they who are speaking

It's actually worse than that. They only added the words "that exclude trans people from pride" after getting some pushback. Originally the post read: "We will be taking care to not allow performers who hold harmful views. Such as LGB views"

It looked like this:

 

[Pixel42]

Sorry to hear that. Stroud is my home town, several members of my family still live there.

 

[smartcooky]

I think my comment is very relevant to this thread. They're saying the quiet part out loud now. I think the more that they show that the LGB bit of LGBTQ+ isn't welcome at Stroud Pride FFS! The more they can distance themselves from the LGB the better. They've hi-jacked the 'Pride' bit of activism.
The more regular people who see that the TQ+ bit is entirely separate may start looking at the subject with different eyes. I don't know any gay people who are on board with the TQ+ appropriation, but that may just be my age. I confess I don't know any gay people under 50.

Back in the day, it used to be known as "Gay Pride". Gay Pride parades were extravagant, a bit over the top, very brightly coloured, but never the sort of things that drew disgust from anyone other than homophobes. I considered them reasonably "child safe". But the movement has been hijacked by TRAs and the trans lobby - the "Gay" part has been dropped... its just called "Pride" now. I wouldn't take a child anywhere near one of those parades now, and expose them to the disgusting depraved behaviour on public display.. I don't need my grandkids to see stuff such as a float with a man sitting in a chair wearing a dress, with the dress pulled up, and another man fellating his ladydick.

Oh, and I can promise you, if a gay group such as LGB Alliance were to try holding a Gay Pride march and excluded trans and queer, we would hear TRAs screaming "transphobia" and "bigotry" from the rooftops.

 

[Aber]

Every day is a school day.

The most relevant usage is

The term is often portrayed in memes depicting middle-class white women who "use their white and class privilege to demand their own way"

The term has been considered pejorative by those who believe it is racist, sexist, ageist, classist, and controlling women's behavior.

Hadley Freeman, columnist and features writer for The Guardian, argues that use of the meme has become less about describing behavior than controlling it and "telling women to shut up"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)

In my view, no liberal white women in the US would risk being called a Karen.

 

[Rolfe]

Sounds as if Hadley Freeman is right.

 

[Ziggurat]

Sounds as if Hadley Freeman is right.

 

[Rolfe]

Another juicy cherry. The leader of "Trans Pride Brighton". Happened to be walking past a library where a women's meeting was being held and "something went" in his head. He couldn't stand the idea of women meeting together, so he went in and set off the fire alarm.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924019383342449024

He was quite properly arrested. Shamefully, he told the police that he was "leading a protest", and they de-arrested him and let him go. Brighton police, of course, dance with the Pride parades.

Why the freaking hell are so many people prepared to believe the propagandists' lie about the "marginalised and oppressed transwoman" to the point where all of society must rearrange itself to accommodate these people's wishes? They're a bunch of self-obsessed, entitled bullies.

 

[Thermal]

Another juicy cherry. The leader of "Trans Pride Brighton". Happened to be walking past a library where a women's meeting was being held and "something went" in his head. He couldn't stand the idea of women meeting together, so he went in and set off the fire alarm.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924019383342449024

He was quite properly arrested. Shamefully, he told the police that he was "leading a protest", and they de-arrested him and let him go. Brighton police, of course, dance with the Pride parades.

Why the freaking hell are so many people prepared to believe the propagandists' lie about the "marginalised and oppressed transwoman" to the point where all of society must rearrange itself to accommodate these people's wishes? They're a bunch of self-obsessed, entitled bullies.

Whelp, I'm convinced. Dangerous cross dressing pervs, the lot of them. The police apparently are, too. And theater management. Pervs, the lot. Is there anyone left in the UK excepting Rolfe who is not a perv?

 

[Rolfe]

Compelling response. I'm convinced.

 

[Thermal]

Compelling tweety, as usual.

 

[theprestige]

Whelp, I'm convinced. Dangerous cross dressing pervs, the lot of them. The police apparently are, too. And theater management. Pervs, the lot. Is there anyone left in the UK excepting Rolfe who is not a perv?

You're mixing and matching arguments, and poorly.

Rolfe is posting yet another example of the thing that doesn't happen but keeps happening anyway.

Since you already stipulate that it happens, you're not the intended audience. Where you're at is rejecting the premise that opening the door to things like this has a chilling effect on safe spaces for women - even if it only happens rarely.

You want to open the door to this kind of thing, chilling effect be damned. And you absolutely, strenuously refuse every single petition to offer a solution that opens the door to the thing you want, without opening the door to this other thing and the attendant chilling effect.

Some days, it even seems like you don't believe the chilling effect is real; or if it is real, that women deserve no better.

And of course you continue to reject the mounting evidence that women come to more harm from your proposal, than transwomen do from sex segregation as was.

 

[Thermal]

You're mixing and matching arguments, and poorly.

Rolfe is posting yet another example of the thing that doesn't happen but keeps happening anyway.

Since you already stipulate that it happens, you're not the intended audience. Where you're at is rejecting the premise that opening the door to things like this has a chilling effect on safe spaces for women - even if it only happens rarely.

What is the effect again? That radicalized leaders of radical sub-groups sometimes get obnoxious about their causes? And that the entire umbrella group is therefore too dangerous? OK. Shall we apply that thinking to, say, firearm ownership?

You want to open the door to this kind of thing, chilling effect be damned. And you absolutely, strenuously refuse every single petition to offer a solution that opens the door to the thing you want, without opening the door to this other thing and the attendant chilling effect.

I dont see the hommes/homette here as particularly chilling. Were the J6ers chilling, and should we demonize all Republicans as a result?

Some days, it even seems like you don't believe the chilling effect is real; or if it is real, that women deserve no better.

I live in one of those states. It is, to borrow your phrase, pretty chill.

And of course you continue to reject the mounting evidence that women come to more harm from your proposal, than transwomen do from sex segregation as was.

Statistically, yes. There is no "mounting" evidence that women go under greater threat, or any at all that didn't exist before policy shifts.

 

[smartcooky]

What is the effect again?

That chilling effect means that women will become more afraid to meet in groups for anything. Women's groups are increasingly having to employ security to have a meeting as low key as a heath clinic or a post-natal support group.

That radicalized leaders of radical sub-groups sometimes get obnoxious about their causes? And that the entire umbrella group is therefore too dangerous?

Yes, the entire TRA umbrella group IS dangerous. They have proved EXACTLY who they are time and time again. When they encounter people who say things they don't like, they have organized campaigns phoning employers and colleagues to get them sanctioned or fired, they the organize social media campaigns to attack them, they threaten owners of venues with vandalism when those venues are scheduled to hold women's events, and they make threats of violence and death against those people, and their families.

OK. Shall we apply that thinking to, say, firearm ownership?

Yes, you should. Other countries do, Americans bury their heads in the sand just after they scream "Second Amendment"

I dont see the hommes/homette here as particularly chilling. Were the J6ers chilling, and should we demonize all Republicans as a result?

Those who tried to whitewash it? Yes, you should!

I live in one of those states. It is, to borrow your phrase, pretty chill.

Not everyone lives in fantasyland like you. When are you going to understand that what happens in your bubble does NOT necessarily happen everywhere else.

Statistically, yes. There is no "mounting" evidence that women go under greater threat, or any at all that didn't exist before policy shifts.

Yet the things you keep insisting do not happen, keep happening. And the frequency of those things that you insist doesn't increase, keeps increasing.

 

[Thermal]

That chilling effect means that women will become more afraid to meet in groups for anything. Women's groups are increasingly having to employ security to have a meeting as low key as a heath clinic or a post-natal support group.

You're making that 0.4% sound omnipotent. We don't call them freaks and pervs in my US state, and... still have women's only meetings and stuff without disruptions. Why do you think that might be?

Yes, the entire TRA umbrella group IS dangerous

Not the "TRAs". Rolfe is very intentionally trying to paint all trans people as cross dressing pervs (her words, describing them all, not mine).

Yes, you should. Other countries do, Americans bury their heads in the sand just after they scream "Second Amendment"

No, some of us try to dial it back, as I do.

Those who tried to whitewash it? Yes, you should!

I said all, not the supporters. Addressed to theprestige, I don't think he puts himself in the pro-insurrectionist group.

Not everyone lives in fantasyland like you. When are you going to understand that what happens in your bubble does NOT necessarily happen everywhere else.

But my fantasy land is a heavily and densely populated state, which endorses exactly the policies you fear monger about, and has for years. That's where we test your fearful fantasies against reality. Where are the perverted hordes?

Yet the things you keep insisting do not happen, keep happening. And the frequency of those things that you insist doesn't increase, keeps increasing.

I've been asking for that data. I've been instead receiving tweets about how some transwomen dress up in private, or pull a fire alarm, or literally anything but what we are actually discussing.

Eta: you and others keep insisting my state, and Massachusetts, and the dozens of others whose doors are largely open are a "fantasyland", while your literal fantasyland about what will happen is disproven in real time. No tranny bashers, no TRA extremists. Funny how that continues to work out.

 

[Ziggurat]

What is the effect again? That radicalized leaders of radical sub-groups sometimes get obnoxious about their causes?

You really don't get it. You really don't understand what Rolfe's primary complaint is actually about. Read post 8212 again, carefully. And then see of you can correctly answer the question of whose actions actually upset Rolfe the most. Come up with your answer before you unveil the spoiler.

It's the police.

 

[smartcooky]

You're making that 0.4% sound omnipotent.

It doesn't take a large number of people to cause a lot of destruction.
It doesn't take a large number of people acting the way TRA's do in order to have a chilling effect
You've just had a car bomb go off outside a fertility clinic in Palm Springs, CA. How many people throughout the USA will now think twice before going to one today? (even if its just a few, its too many)

That 0.4% in the UK is over 27,000 people... it only takes a few of those to be nutcases.

We don't call them freaks and pervs in my US state, and... still have women's only meetings and stuff without disruptions. Why do you think that might be?

Transgender prisoner who sexually assaulted inmates jailed for life

Karen White, 52, admitted sexually assaulting women in female prison and raping two other women outside jail

www.theguardian.com

https://newjerseymonitor.com/2024/09/11/lawsuit-pins-blame-for-assaults-on-transgender-policy-in-new-jersey-prisons

N.J. trans prisoner who impregnated 2 inmates transferred to men's facility

Demi Minor, 27, has been transferred from New Jersey’s only women’s prison to the vulnerable housing unit at a men’s facility.

www.nbcnews.com

All the transwomen in New Jersey are very nice people who only want to pee... amirite!

Not the "TRAs". Rolfe is very intentionally trying to paint all trans people as cross dressing pervs (her words, describing them all, not mine).

Yet every one of the examples Rolfe has posted have been examples of activist behaviour.

No, some of us try to dial it back, as I do.

Not very successfully it seems

But my fantasy land is a heavily and densely populated state, which endorses exactly the policies you fear monger about, and has for years. That's where we test your fearful fantasies against reality. Where are the perverted hordes?

Who ever said they were hordes (see the earlier responses)

I've been asking for that data. I've been instead receiving tweets about how some transwomen dress up in private, or pull a fire alarm, or literally anything but what we are actually discussing.

Those ARE examples. They ARE the data, they are real life examples of things that verifiably happened. In some ways, they are better than data, because its raw - there has been no chance for the data to be "massaged"

Your problem is that you wont accept or acknowledge ANY examples or ANY data that you don't like.

Eta: you and others keep.insisting my state, and Massachusetts, and the dozens of others whose doors are largely open are a "fantasyland", while your literal famtasyland about what will happen is disproven in real time. No tranny bashers, no TRA extremists. Funny how that continues to work out.

Again, what happens in your state is irrelevant in the wider world.

You have been (repeatedly) given example, after example, after example. You response has been to stick your fingers in your ears and scream 'La La La La' while pretending those examples don't exist.

 

[Rolfe]

You want really gross?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924146324951425473

Oh but there are only like three men with AGP in the entire world...

(This seems to be one of these links that isn't going to render in the forum, and I'm not going to try to fix it. The software clearly knows best.)