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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

No. Claimed Marco Chiacchiera in court:

LAWYER - There were four, two of which were open and two of which you opened?
WITNESS - I don't remember, maybe.
LAWYER - They were wrapped in cellophane and you opened them?
WITNESS - Maybe, it's absolutely possible. Maybe I opened them even though they were wrapped in cellophane.


You fail to mention that earlier he testified that he found the pile of comics in RS' bedroom which he found strange as they were all horror and porn. If they were shrink-wrapped - ha ha, so suggests Bongiorno! - how would he have ascertained its horror/pornographic nature?

In any case, having a liking for such material is hardly evidence of anything, but provides an insight into RS' character and possible motivation into his stated desire for 'extreme experiences'.



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Only by the sealed ones Chiacchiera opened and that RS had not read. But maybe Chiacchiera is also bent or paid off? Maybe the mafia. Masons, or Trump got to him! Immediately following the quote and cited testimony of Chiacchiera above was this:

So the only ones that "horrified" hims were the ones that HE OPENED and that RS had not read.

And your making false claims and mischaracterizing what is said is absolutely par for the course.


You are the one who has brought in the false premise that they had to be proven to have been read and opened. Fact is, the murder matched a graphic scene from one of these porno-horror mags. The fact is not substantiative of proof but shows an insight into the character who was found guilty at trial.





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Which one are you specifically claiming is "made up"?


The hair found gripped in Mez' hand and across her bag being that of one of Guedé's friends. The ladies shoe size 37 being Guedé's. There was no blood in the hall way. The luminol did not highlight blood. When AK rang Mez, she was thwarted by an instant ansaphone message. All the rejected defence claims breathed back into life as though its a re-trial.



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Yes, we do. Which has absolutely nothing to do with my comment.

"bigots"? Are you really claiming that Douglas stating they don't fit the profile of killers is because he's a bigot? Was Guede confirmed guilty because the courts were bigoted?
Is anyone who believes Guede alone killed Kercher a bigot?
Are you a bigot for believing Guede was involved in the murder?

You've made some really gobsmacking claims, but this one is right up there in the desperation department.


RG, AK and RS were rightly tried by a properly convened criminal court of law. There was nothing unfair or improper about any of those trials. Of course, the prosecution is not going to get every detail right, given only the defendants were present at the crime scene. However, it presented evidence that was tested and proven and subjected to cross-examination that the properly convened jury and panel of judges that found a verdict beyond a reasonable doubt of 'Guilty', as charged The cases went to Appeal and then the Supreme Court. In the case of AK and RS, it went to Hellmann Appeal Court, the prosecution appealed it via Chieffi Supreme Court, who upheld the Appeal and directed the issue of DNA return back down, to be tried again, via Nencini's second-tier Appeal Court, on just those issues; of the rejected Conti & Vecchiotti submissions. Nenccini upheld the guilty verdict. The case went to Supreme Court Marasca-Bruno, who mysteriously delayed the MR for three months and reintroduced Conti & Vecchiotti. It annulled the sentences citing a loophole that was NEVER used except for Berlusconi and Andreotti (who was represented by fixer Bongiorno).


Whilst Knox fans are joyous she was released and is now writing books claiming to be a victim of Mignini's, the facts found at trial haven't changed because M-B had no legal mechanism to do so without yet another 'Guilty' verdict being proven.


Bigoted is thinking you can try a case just by looking at someone and having a 'gut feeling' or of being in some kind of granfalloon* with the defendant, as also being from Seattle, the US, being a fan of OJ's football team, a hater of police, etcetera, etcetera,


*A Kurt Vonnegut logical fallacy.

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Calunnia (CP Article 368) revisited.

The Italian criminal law CPP Article 368, calunnia contains the following text: simula a carico di lui le tracce di un reato.
How should this text be understood in English?

The Reverso translation gives: simulates the traces of a crime against him. Note that the "him" is person B, who person A is falsely accusing of a crime, knowing that B is or should be considered innocent under law.

What does "traces of a crime" mean in English? The key word that may need definition is "traces", which has several meanings in English. The most relevant definitions of "trace" are:

a sign or evidence of some past thing

Evidence or an indication of the former presence or existence of something; a vestige.


In other words, the crime of calunnia includes (but is not limited to*) any act where A fabricates some false evidence "suggesting" or "proving" that B committed a crime, and alerts the authorities to that "evidence" although A knows (or should know?) that B is innocent (whether factually or legally is not specified in the wording). Since the wording describes A as "anyone", person A could be a police officer or prosecutor who notifies another police officer or prosecutor, or a judge of his or her allegation that was fabricated with false evidence. If the preceding sentences were not true, how was Knox lawfully accused of calunnia against the police and prosecutor Mignini for her statements in court? Her statements indicated that the police and/or prosecutor had fabricated evidence against her - coercing her to make false statements - through their alleged misconduct and violations of procedural laws.

* Calunnia also includes the case where A makes only a false accusation against B to an authority, knowing that B is innocent (whether factually or legally innocent is not indicated in the text of the law).

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I see. So Bryan Kohberger's history of interest in serial killers and studying criminology is completely irrelevant according to your theory.
More of your usual reading comprehension and logic. First, profiling, to the extent that it actually works, is used to attempt to catch criminals who are currently at large. So how could anyone possibly have known, based on the information that's currently publicly available, that either of these applied to the perpetrator? (I will grant that some of the evidence is currently sealed, but it's exceedingly unlikely that, for example, the perpetrator left a note at the crime scene detailing his extensive study of serial killers.)

Second, the relevance of Kohberger's interests and studies is far less than you're insinuating; most of those who pursue criminology degrees intend to go into law enforcement or related fields, such as corrections. As for his interest in serial killers, as you may be aware, books and movies about them tend to be extremely popular, so the correlation between interest and acting out is likely to be extremely low. Of course, that doesn't mean there's zero correlation, obviously. Say, Vixen, come to think of it, you seem to have quite an interest in, and some might even say an obsession with, two people who you're unshakably convinced are murders. Maybe the police ought to be keeping an eye on you. :sarcasm:

I find it weird that anyone would believe a policeman or a prosecutor, or even a judge, according to some criminals, are responsible for the perp being found guilty after a lengthy and fair trial.
The ECHR ruled that the trial was not fair, as has been explained to you ad nauseam. And please don't start with the "they weren't suspects under Italian law," and "she wasn't coerced" BS again. First, as noted, Amanda was required to have a lawyer even as a "witness" when she started accusing Patrick. Second, they obviously were de facto suspects; for reasons that, again, have been discussed ad nauseam. Finally, and crucially, as Numbers has so ably demonstrated, the Convention language and ECHR caselaw on this point are deliberately intended to close such loopholes in signatories' laws governing police interrogations.

Ten different judges reviewed the case before it reached Massei.
And several of the rulings against Amanda and Raffaele were transparently defective, in particular in their use of her coerced statement that was ruled inadmissible by both the Court of Cassation (except for the calunnia charge) and the ECHR (for all charges).

The six lay jurors are chosen randomly for each case.
And they weren't sequestered, so they were exposed to all the highly prejudicial lies and sensational stories in the media, some of which were deliberately leaked by the police.

Mignini was joined by Commodi, another prosecutor a few months in, yet somehow you have a weird belief he single handedly managed to prove the case to two merits courts, even though it was Crini who took over for the second one.


Amazing!.
And we're back to the straw man argument that Mignini was solely responsible for the miscarriage of justice. I suppose that's at least an improvement over your other favored straw man on this point, which is that we're alleging it was a vast conspiracy by the Perugia police and the Italian judicial system to frame two people who were known to be innocent.
 
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More of your usual reading comprehension and logic. First, profiling, to the extent that it actually works, is used to attempt to catch criminals who are currently at large. So how could anyone possibly have known, based on the information that's currently publicly available, that either of these applied to the perpetrator? (I will grant that some of the evidence is currently sealed, but it's exceedingly unlikely that, for example, the perpetrator left a note at the crime scene detailing his extensive study of serial killers.)

Second, the relevance of Kohberger's interests and studies is far less than you're insinuating; most of those who pursue criminology degrees intend to go into law enforcement or related fields, such as corrections. As for his interest in serial killers, as you may be aware, books and movies about them tend to be extremely popular, so the correlation between interest and acting out is likely to be extremely low. Of course, that doesn't mean there's zero correlation, obviously. Say, Vixen, come to think of it, you seem to have quite an interest in, and some might even say an obsession with, two people who you're unshakably convinced are murders. Maybe the police ought to be keeping an eye on you. :sarcasm:


The ECHR ruled that the trial was not fair, as has been explained to you ad nauseam. And please don't start with the "they weren't suspects under Italian law," and "she wasn't coerced" BS again. First, as noted, Amanda was required to have a lawyer even as a "witness" when she started accusing Patrick. Second, they obviously were de facto suspects; for reasons that, again, have been discussed ad nauseam. Finally, and crucially, as Numbers has so ably demonstrated, the Convention language and ECHR caselaw on this point are deliberately intended to close such loopholes in signatories' laws governing police interrogations.


And several of the rulings against Amanda and Raffaele were transparently defective, in particular in their use of her coerced statement that was ruled inadmissible by both the Court of Cassation (except for the calunnia charge) and the ECHR (for all charges).


And they weren't sequestered, so they were exposed to all the highly prejudicial lies and sensational stories in the media, some of which were deliberately leaked by the police.


And we're back to the straw man argument that Mignini was solely responsible for the miscarriage of justice. I suppose that's at least an improvement over your other favored straw man on this point, which is that we're alleging it was a vast conspiracy by the Perugia police and the Italian judicial system to frame two people who were known to be innocent.


You seem unable to comprehend that on discovery of the murder there were literally hundreds of potential suspects, each of whom needed to be interviewed. Of course AK and RS needed to be interviewed as they were at the scene of the crime when police arrived. You seem to think the police had some kind of crystal ball that told them to hone in on AK in particular because the cops couldn't be bothered to find 'the real killer', for whom all they know, might still be skulking around out there ready to kill again. The idea that AK and RS should have been exempt from suspicion is astonishing. Can you justify why you believe this should have been the case? Telling cops you don't want a lawyer doesn't exempt you from being interviewed as a witness. It is your right to waive having a lawyer. Once AK incriminated PL the interview was halted, as per protocol.


Only the gullible believe the fairy tale of the wicked Prosecutor and the 'vulnerable little kid who spoke no Italian'.



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Calunnia (CP Article 368) revisited.
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There's more to be learned from Knox having been charged with calunnia against the police and Mignini.

We should recall (it's been posted here previously) that Knox was charged with continuing aggravated calunnia against the police and Mignini, not "merely" calunnia.

What does the phrase continuing aggravated calunnia mean generally and in this case?

1. Knox had complained - contrary to the repetitive falsehoods of guilters - to the authorities, officially complaining of mistreatment and procedural violations by the police, interpreter, and prosecutor during her 5 - 6 interrogation. She had done this most prominently, in a way that led Mignini to take legal criminal action - possibly because the complaint was made in public and the complaint would be in the public court transcript - during her testimony before the Massei court. Mignini's first legal criminal action was to file a charge against Knox of aggravated calunnia against the police.

The term "aggravated" here refers to one of several "aggravating factors" that can be applied to some crimes under Italian criminal law. In this case, the aggravating factor was the allegation by the prosecutor that the intent of Knox's (alleged) calunnia against the police was to cover up her own alleged crime of aggravated calunnia against Lumumba. For the latter allegation, the prosecutor had alleged that not had Knox knowingly falsely accused Lumumba during the interrogation, but that she had done that to cover up her (alleged) knowledge that Guede had committed the crime of the murder/rape of Kercher, which the prosecutor further alleged that she and Sollecito had participated in.

2. Because there was a realization on the part of the Italian judiciary (as called to their attention by the defense) that Mignini's charging of Knox with calunnia against the police involved a conflict of interest - Mignini was proposing to conduct a case against Knox involving claims against police that he had supervised in his role as prosecutor of the Kercher murder/rape case - the case was transferred from the Perugia judicial district to the Florence judicial district. With that transfer, a Florence judicial district prosecutor took over the case, and the case was expanded to be aggravated calunnia and the police and Mignini.

3. Knox and Sollecito were provisionally convicted on the murder/rape charges and Knox was provisionally convicted of the aggravated calunnia against Lumumba charge by the Massei court. Knox and Sollecito appealed on the murder/rape charges, and Knox appealed on the aggravated calunnia against Lumumba charge. In Knox's appeals, she repeated her allegations against the conduct of the police, interpeter, and Mignini during the 5 - 6 November interrogations.

4. Because Knox (with the help of her lawyers) had repeated her allegations against the police, the interpeter, and Mignini in her appeal documents, the Florence prosecutor incremented the charge against Knox to continuing aggravated calunnia against the police and Mignini. Each subsequent appeal by Knox which included her allegation of mistreatment or misconduct by the police, interpreter, and Mignini led to another incremental incident charge of the "continuing" aggravating factor, until she was finally acquitted of the calunnia against the police and Mignini charges by the Boninsegna court.

5. The Boninsegna court acquitted Knox of continuing aggravated calunnia against the police and Mignini. The acquittal, under CPP Article 530 paragraph 2, was because there was no information in the record, nor in any independent credible testimony before the court, that could refute Knox's claims of mistreatment and misconduct by the police. The circumstances of the interrogation, the court found, could have led Knox to sincerely believe that her rights were being violated; thus, she could not be said to have "known" that the police were innocent of mistreatment or misconduct. For Mignini, the court stated that any responsibility could not be assigned to him merely because he was the supervisor of the police. Thus, the elements of the crime of calunnia were not present in the case. Neither Knox nor the Florence prosecutor (nor the civil parties, including the Perugia police and Mignini) appealed the Boninsegna court acquittal, and thus it became a final acquittal.
 
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Stacyhs said:
No. Claimed Marco Chiacchiera in court:

LAWYER - There were four, two of which were open and two of which you opened?
WITNESS - I don't remember, maybe.
LAWYER - They were wrapped in cellophane and you opened them?
WITNESS - Maybe, it's absolutely possible. Maybe I opened them even though they were wrapped in cellophane.
You fail to mention that earlier he testified that he found the pile of comics in RS' bedroom which he found strange as they were all horror and porn.
Do you notice how I quoted and cited my evidence whereas you repeatedly make claims that someone said or did something but fail to quote or cite it? Then when asked to do so, you ignore it. Could it possibly be because you can't? As for the claim above, once again it's false. Chiacchiera never claimed to have found "a pile of comics" that were "all horror and porn." This is what he said:

LAWYER - So the comic Trigum (phonetic) is a pornographic comic?
WITNESS - I don't know.
LAWYER - MP Psycho (phonetic), is it pornographic?
WITNESS - No,
I'll... I'll tell you right away. So, certain comics have been... or in any case a lot of documentary material, many books or comics have then been somehow taken in abundance, there's no problem, I can say that calmly. Some comics, now I honestly have trouble identifying them, are comics within which they struck me for a simple reason... should I stop?
LAWYER - No. I understand. I wanted to ask you, how many were therein total compared to these pornographic ones, that's all.
WITNESS - How many were there in total compared to the pornographic ones?The pornographic ones were four, five, if I remember correctly.
LAWYER - There were four, of which two were opened and did you open two?

WITNESS - I don't remember, maybe.
LAWYER - were they wrapped in cellophane and did you open them?
WITNESS - but it could be, but it absolutely could be. It could be that I opened them even if they were wrapped in cellophane.
So, no. There were several comics and books that were NOT pornographic and only FOUR that were. Two of which Chiacchiera testified he could have opened . Sollecito says there were a collectors set from the 1960's given to him by his friend whom he names and that they were, indeed, sealed until Chiacchiera opened them. Collector comics are not opened from their sealed covers because it devalues them.

Additionally, this claim that the manga "murder" victim was in the same position as Meredith is often repeated by the PGP yet I've never once seen any evidence of this nor which comic specifically it was in. Unless you can quote and cite evidence of it, then I'll toss it into the garbage can along with the many other unsupported claims.


If they were shrink-wrapped - ha ha, so suggests Bongiorno! - how would he have ascertained its horror/pornographic nature?
Duh...because Chiacchiera opened them.

"- but it could be, but it absolutely could be. It could be that I opened them even if they were wrapped in cellophane."

In any case, having a liking for such material is hardly evidence of anything,
Exactly. Millions of these manga comics are sold around the world. Comics and many video games intended for adults/teenagers are often violent and have sexual content. That doesn't mean their readers are inclined to violent acts themselves and especially not murder.

but provides an insight into RS' character and possible motivation into his stated desire for 'extreme experiences'.
I think a better insight into RS's character is his history of non-violence (despite the discredited "scissors" lie you repeated), committing no crimes other than smoking weed and very brief narcotics experimentation when he was 17-18 years old, and friends who knew him. Nor has he committed any crimes since his release 14 years ago...unlike Rudy Guede.

That you keep trying to equate "extreme experiences" with murder is all you. 'Thrill seeking' is a common male trait. That's why teenagers and young men are known for doing dangerous and (often) stupid things.
 
You are the one who has brought in the false premise that they had to be proven to have been read and opened.
False. Myriad and SpitfireIX both brought up the fact the comics were sealed before I did.

Myriad: "Can you explain how RS and AK knew the position of the body depicted in the manga that was shrink-wrapped and unopened? Are they clairvoyant?"

SpitfireIX: "I second Myriad's request that you explain how Raffaele and Amanda knew the vampire's position when the comic was unopened in the shrink wrap."

Me: "You mean the scene in one of the comics in the UNOPENED 1960's manga collector's set given to him as a gift by his friend, Gianluigi Ceraso?

Fact is, the murder matched a graphic scene from one of these porno-horror mags.
Citation needed. This is a claim I never never seen evidence for.

The fact is not substantiative of proof but shows an insight into the character who was found guilty at trial.
Nope. It's evidence of the need to spin and twist every single thing into 'evidence' of guilt. Just as your last sentence ignores the fact that he was definitively acquitted by the SC.
 
Likewise, in the AK/RS case the jury found the pair guilty based on the evidence presented and nothing more.

They provisionally convicted based on false evidence, false "judicial facts," and false sensationalist slander leaked to the media. Until a sane judge threw out the garbage evidence and shut the witch hunt down.

The idea it was a witch hunt - as AK supporters claim - is nothing more than rationalising an unreasonable belief the pair were witch hunted by the evil Dr. Mignini, waiting in the shadows like a predator sniffing out likely prey. "Witch hunt" is the only explanation they can come up with as evidence is not on their side.

Filet literally believed AK and RS were witches and he and his underlings acted on those beliefs. Calling it a witch hunt is well-justified.
 
Fact is, the murder matched a graphic scene from one of these porno-horror mags. The fact is not substantiative of proof but shows an insight into the character who was found guilty at trial.

By the way, speaking of witch hunts, why disguise your meaning with phrases like "porno-horror mags"? If you're going to indulge in pearl-clutching nerd libel over anime, why not just call it what you really think it is: "Satanic Bible" or maybe "Book of Shadows?" That's what a proper witch would possess, after all.
 
You seem unable to comprehend that on discovery of the murder there were literally hundreds of potential suspects, each of whom needed to be interviewed. Of course AK and RS needed to be interviewed as they were at the scene of the crime when police arrived. You seem to think the police had some kind of crystal ball that told them to hone in on AK in particular because the cops couldn't be bothered to find 'the real killer', for whom all they know, might still be skulking around out there ready to kill again. The idea that AK and RS should have been exempt from suspicion is astonishing. Can you justify why you believe this should have been the case? Telling cops you don't want a lawyer doesn't exempt you from being interviewed as a witness. It is your right to waive having a lawyer. Once AK incriminated PL the interview was halted, as per protocol.


Only the gullible believe the fairy tale of the wicked Prosecutor and the 'vulnerable little kid who spoke no Italian'.


Come on, Vixen, why do you always have to borderline insult us?

I apologized to you when I did it, and I know this isn't just a one-sided thing either. Both sides are guilty, but it doesn't help anything, no matter who does it.

I mean, despite our differences here, there are probably a bunch of things we actually agree on. We all have hopes, dreams, family, friends, children and pets that we love. I know I'm just as guilty, but it still saddens me.

Sorry everyone for the long rant.


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I mentioned NONE of these in the post you replied to claiming "Another one of your made up claims?". But let's look at them anyway.
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Which one are you specifically claiming is "made up"?
The hair found gripped in Mez' hand and across her bag being that of one of Guedé's friends.
This is another classic mischaracterization from you. After you (yet again) implied the "long blonde hairs" belonged to Amanda:
Vixen said:
There were two long blond hairs. One clasped in rigor mortis by the victim's hand. Another long strand across Mez' bag.

I replied as a possible source for the blonde hair:
"Guede was seen dancing with a girl with "long, straight blonde hair" on Halloween night at Domus by his upstairs neighbors. (Follain, Kindle location 2894)"
Naturally, you also ignored this because it undermines your innuendo:
So tell me, were those blond hairs natural or died? As I've pointed out to you numerous times and which you ignore: Amanda dyed her hair blonde at the time and dyed hair is easily seen under a microscope.

The ladies shoe size 37 being Guedé's.
The print which even Massei agreed could belong to Guede:
The Court, on this point, takes notice of the opposing conclusions without expressing a specific opinion. It cannot in fact be excluded that Guede alone tread on the cushion lying on the floor, to the exclusion of Knox (the smaller dimensions of the right foot can be explained by the characteristics of the underlying surface, the pillow, having a non-rigid structure and where the material of the pillow-slip may have been not perfectly straightened out, but, on the contrary, soft and as such determining the curvature)
There was no blood in the hall way.
I never said there was "no blood in the hallway" as Guede's shoeprints were in blood. What I said is that NONE of the "luminol revealed footprints", including those in the hallways, were in blood.

The luminol did not highlight blood.
Oh, good lord. Do I REALLY have to explain TMB negative to you AGAIN? And please, don't give me the crap about luminol being so much more sensitive than TMB so just ignore the negative TMB results because that's what forensic experts, including Stefanoni, do! :sarcasm:

When AK rang Mez, she was thwarted by an instant ansaphone message.
WOT? How was she 'thwarted' by the answering machine message?

All the rejected defence claims breathed back into life as though its a re-trial.
If all the "defense" claims had been rejected by the courts then the pair would never have been acquitted. Oh, wait; the mafia, Trump, the Masons, and the US government, and a "loophole" were behind that!
 
You seem unable to comprehend that on discovery of the murder there were literally hundreds of potential suspects, each of whom needed to be interviewed. Of course AK and RS needed to be interviewed as they were at the scene of the crime when police arrived. You seem to think the police had some kind of crystal ball that told them to hone in on AK in particular because the cops couldn't be bothered to find 'the real killer', for whom all they know, might still be skulking around out there ready to kill again. The idea that AK and RS should have been exempt from suspicion is astonishing.
Are you being deliberately obtuse again? Neither I, nor anyone else, has said that that Amanda and Raffaele shouldn't have been questioned or otherwise investigated. Feel free to prove me wrong and quote someone saying that. But you won't, because you can't. The point, which you're continually dodging, is that their questioning on the night of November 5-6, without legal counsel, was both unfair and illegal.

Can you justify why you believe this should have been the case?
Assumes facts not in evidence.

Telling cops you don't want a lawyer doesn't exempt you from being interviewed as a witness.
First, neither of them ever said they didn't want a lawyer. We know Raffaele requested, and was denied, a lawyer, because, as has been mentioned recently, and undoubtedly in the past, Mignini was reprimanded over his failure to provide one. And Amanda said that she was told by Mignini, "If you get a lawyer, it will look like you don't want to cooperate with us," or words to that effect. And, Vixen, you do not get to claim that she's lying, first, for the reason that, as has been mentioned, the police failed either to record or to otherwise make a record of the interview, and, second, because we know he denied Raffaele a lawyer.

It is your right to waive having a lawyer.
Which Raffaele did not, and Amanda did not willingly and knowingly.

Once AK incriminated PL the interview was halted, as per protocol.
She should have had a lawyer way before then. Further, she should have had one when she signed the statement, which is why the Court of Cassation threw it out for the murder and rape charges (although, because of Italy's unfair dual civil and criminal trial system, it was allowed in anyway for the calunnia charge), and why the ECHR threw it out for the calunnia charge.

Only the gullible believe the fairy tale of the wicked Prosecutor and the 'vulnerable little kid who spoke no Italian'.
All that straw must really itch, Vixen. :rolleyes:
 
RG, AK and RS were rightly tried by a properly convened criminal court of law.
The court was a properly convened criminal court of law. I don't deny that. As for being "rightly tried", that's a point of debate.
There was nothing unfair or improper about any of those trials.
I agree. The trials themselves were proper. It's what happened BEFORE the trials, mainly the investigation and the interrogation of Nov. 5/6, that were NOT proper.

Of course, the prosecution is not going to get every detail right, given only the defendants were present at the crime scene. However, it presented evidence that was tested and proven and subjected to cross-examination that the properly convened jury and panel of judges that found a verdict beyond a reasonable doubt of 'Guilty', as charged The cases went to Appeal and then the Supreme Court. In the case of AK and RS, it went to Hellmann Appeal Court, the prosecution appealed it via Chieffi Supreme Court, who upheld the Appeal and directed the issue of DNA return back down, to be tried again, via Nencini's second-tier Appeal Court, on just those issues; of the rejected Conti & Vecchiotti submissions. Nenccini upheld the guilty verdict. The case went to Supreme Court Marasca-Bruno, who mysteriously delayed the MR for three months and reintroduced Conti & Vecchiotti.
We know the series of events. By the way, Marasca didn't "reintroduce C&V"; they reviewed Nencini's finding on the report and rejected it.
It annulled the sentences citing a loophole that was NEVER used except for Berlusconi and Andreotti (who was represented by fixer Bongiorno).
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you keep claiming. What "loophole" SPECIFICALLY are you claiming was used. Unless you can quote ad cite it, it's just another guilter claim. Finding someone not guilty under Art. 530 para. 2 is NOT a damn LOOPHOLE.
Whilst Knox fans are joyous she was released and is now writing books claiming to be a victim of Mignini's, the facts found at trial haven't changed because M-B had no legal mechanism to do so without yet another 'Guilty' verdict being proven.
Sigh.
CPP Art. 620 gives them the "legal mechanism":

Art. 620. Annulment without delay. 1. In addition to the cases specifically provided for by law, the court shall give a judgment of annulment without reference: ; l) in any other case where the court considers that the reference is superfluous or may itself determine the penalty or prescribe the necessary measures.

Marasca annulled without revision:
Following the considerations above, it is obvious that a remand [rinvio] would be useless, hence
the declaration of annulment without remand, based on art. 620 L) of the procedure code,

Bigoted is thinking you can try a case just by looking at someone and having a 'gut feeling' or of being in some kind of granfalloon* with the defendant, as also being from Seattle, the US, being a fan of OJ's football team, a hater of police, etcetera, etcetera,


*A Kurt Vonnegut logical fallacy.
But no one here has ever claimed any of those for believing Knox and Sollecito are innocent. Which is why, unlike you, we quote and cite the evidence. You might try it once in a while instead of just flinging out unsupported claims.
 
Telling cops you don't want a lawyer doesn't exempt you from being interviewed as a witness.
Sorry, I just noticed that I neglected to make my second point.

Second, the issue here is that Amanda and Raffaele clearly weren't considered witnesses, as the Italian authorities, along with you and other guilters, falsely attempt to portray them. You have admitted that the police immediately believed (wrongly) that the burglary was staged, and that Mignini, with his imagined Holmesian powers of deduction, believed that only a woman would cover the body. So Amanda was an obvious suspect, as if the fact that her phone was tapped were not evidence enough of that. And Raffaele, at a minimum, would have been suspected of having been an accessory after the fact, for providing Amanda with a false alibi, which the police were attempting to break. That's again even apart from the fact that his phone was also tapped.
 
Filet literally believed AK and RS were witches and he and his underlings acted on those beliefs. Calling it a witch hunt is well-justified.
Does Mignini actually believe in witchcraft, or does he just believe that people who believe in (or pretend to believe in) witchcraft and Satanism periodically commit brutal, ritualistic murders? If the latter, that does happen occasionally, but far less frequently than someone who mainly gets information from tabloids, movies, and social media might imagine.
 

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