You pose in your first line the very problem, again. "if not one extreme, than the other" is exactly why the discussion goes nowhere.
But you are defaulting to the extremes. Your preferred outcome may not be extreme (though you have never actually indicated how your outcome can be achieved), but you keep adopting extreme language and framing, such as characterizing not wanting males in female spaces as hatred for their very existence.
Wasn't that the same year Colorado did it?
What part of 'the status quo seems to work pretty well, without codifying tranny bashing into law' is so perplexing?
The body of work of a couple posters here leads to no other conclusion. I'm just saying it out loud. Sounds pretty repulsive without the sugar coating, doesn't it?
Which status quo? There is no singular status quo, and in some places no status quo at all. Things are in flux, and not consistent from place to place. This answer amounts to "I don't want to deal with it". If you simply freeze the current rules in place everywhere, the conflict you bemoan will not cease, but merely become entrenched.
Either you want to dial down the heat, or you do not. You cannot justifiably claim to want to dial down the heat while turning it up. And you are turning it up. Your justification for why you do so will not change the fact that this is what you are doing. If you feel that it is justified, then simply be honest that this is what you are doing, and do not complain when others do as well.
Just noticed this, and I've asked you about it before. How often is this a problem? Are there multiple men at once? Are they harrassing anybody? Has it noticably increased recently? Does it tend to be in certain areas (theater, clubs), or all over? Not looking for actual numbers, just your experience, because what you describe is not consistent with what I'm seeing.
The one being consistently described and discussed.
I'll meet the discussion at whatever temperature others set it at, and I took multiple slaps from multiple posters before meeting with less reservation.
*glances at the bar in the middle of Appleby's*
Again, there isn't one.
Neither children nor adults are proper salad toppings to include in a salad bar.
The one we had for generations, as we have been describing. The one where there was no law in any state regulating single sex admittance. The one where it was men here, women there, and most of the time it was sorted by sex, with an occasional nonconformist strolling in the opposite once in a while, creating no problems or issues. We handled it societally, without anti-trans legislation. The same way most US States, by a three to one margin, still do it.
Conceded.
Yes. I'm asking if something has changed which has pushed matters beyond reasonable tolerance.
The one where no male was entitled to enter a women's restroom? That one?
My point is that transwomen can't insist that they be treated exactly the same as biological women whilst simultaneously insisting that biological women do all the things they flatly refuse to do, namely put up with having to pee/undress/shower in the presence of biological males, and compete against biological males. If it's no big deal for women to have to do those things, why is it so completely unacceptable for them to have to do it?
Why wouldn't they, if there was more than one transwoman in the ladies room? And you guys pee in front of each other? I thought you had stalls, and we were the ones with the exposed urinals and gang troughs. You have...what, like a big floor drain everyone squats over together?
Truth.
