Musk vs Trump

Which one will the MAGA supporters try to assassinate first?

  • Trump

    Votes: 5 17.9%

  • Musk

    Votes: 23 82.1%
  • Total voters
    28
dudalb said:
If Musk were not smart about some things, he would not be do dangerous.
Never understimate your opponent.
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As I've mentioned, Elon Musk is at least as smart as it takes to game financial systems and apply leverage accordingly. This can make a person very wealthy. And by some definitions of "businessman" it might qualify him as a genius businessman. But I define business as encompassing more than just the finance industry. Smart people can be dangerous, especially if they are committed to applying their intelligence in psychopathic ways. But it does not follow that dangerous people are necessarily smart. Toward that point, Elon Musk is mostly a bully in my estimation. That too can make you very wealthy.
 
Having a financial stake certainly allows you to more effectively bully people by means other than physical violence. Having a financial stake certainly allows you to game the financial system effectively and apply leverage to get more money. Elon Musk is not even remotely the first person to convince himself that he is a genius because he is rich. And he largely built his reputation as a genius by making unproven and unprovable technology claims mostly for a non-technical audience that also wants to equate wealth with intelligence.

As I may have mentioned before, very wealthy people have the means to squelch evidence that their claims in other areas are not true, and thus improve their undeserved credibility for those claims. This is true danger.
 
JayUtah said:
As I may have mentioned before, very wealthy people have the means to squelch evidence that their claims in other areas are not true, and thus improve their undeserved credibility for those claims. This is true danger.
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and he has been caught doing this multiple times, too many times, in both trivial matters and matters of importance

imo he's the most prolific con man in human history
 
dirtywick said:
and he has been caught doing this multiple times, too many times, in both trivial matters and matters of importance
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And as I've mentioned before, it's the trivial instances that stick in my mind. As the world's richest man, and one of the world's most recognizable and notable figures, he does not have to lie about those kinds of things in order to maintain his reputation or his financial empire. He chooses to do so, likely because he desperately needs to maintain some illusion of his own superiority in literally every respect. A person who cannot accept even a trivial shortfall—e.g., that he isn't as good at computer games as he wishes—is dangerously insatiable. When he has the power to alter reality (and, in the process, affect other people) to make his beliefs seem more true to him, he becomes truly dangerous.
 
The smarts of rich people are very overrated.
It's more true that, unlike most, they got to fail completely time and again, because they always get another chance to mess up more.
If you get to play the game long enough you are bound to win eventually
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
The smarts of rich people are very overrated.
It's more true that, unlike most, they got to fail completely time and again, because they always get another chance to mess up more.
If you get to play the game long enough you are bound to win eventually
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And most of the time, they are celebrated for winning the race when they are often given the pole position on the last lap.
 
And meanwhile, the genius behind Doge is apparently outsourcing his insanity, having fed his AI chatbot so much neo-apartheid rhetoric that almost everything it says is interspersed with references to white genocide and South African misdeeds, and allegations that whatever you're chatting about is actually about that.

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Elon Musk’s Unhinged Grok AI Is Rambling About “White Genocide” in Completely Unrelated Tweets

Elon Musk's xAI chatbot, Grok, is ranting about white genocide in South Africa in response to completely unrelated queries.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1923183620606619649

For those who block:

We want to update you on an incident that happened with our Grok response bot on X yesterday.

What happened:
On May 14 at approximately 3:15 AM PST, an unauthorized modification was made to the Grok response bot's prompt on X. This change, which directed Grok to provide a specific response on a political topic, violated xAI's internal policies and core values. We have conducted a thorough investigation and are implementing measures to enhance Grok's transparency and reliability.

What we’re going to do next:
- Starting now, we are publishing our Grok system prompts openly on GitHub. The public will be able to review them and give feedback to every prompt change that we make to Grok. We hope this can help strengthen your trust in Grok as a truth-seeking AI.
- Our existing code review process for prompt changes was circumvented in this incident. We will put in place additional checks and measures to ensure that xAI employees can't modify the prompt without review.
- We’re putting in place a 24/7 monitoring team to respond to incidents with Grok’s answers that are not caught by automated systems, so we can respond faster if all other measures fail.
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The Don said:
Yes, but that's not your scenario, and the shareholders are adequately compensated.

In your scenario the assets of the publicly listed company were transferred to a privately held holding company and the shareholders were not compensated for this by being given cash and/or shares in the holding company.

Here's your scenario:



I'd like you to provide an example of this happening to a publicly listed company where the existing shareholders haven't been compensated.
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Will this do?

Transferring money out of a company by buying worthless shares and bonds.

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Both fighters in the John Elliott-National Crime Authority boxing match seem to be running out of puff, writes Trevor Sykes.
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The Great Zaganza said:
The smarts of rich people are very overrated.
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Are they? Certainly not by many in this forum. But what does the evidence say?

According to one source the 10 richest people in the World right now are:-

1. Elon Musk
2. Jeff Bezos
3. Mark Zuckerberg
4. Larry Ellison
5. Bill Gates
6. Warren Buffet
7. Steve Ballmer
8. Larry Page
9. Sergey Brin
10. Michael Dell

Ignore Musk for now and just look at the others - are you seriously suggesting being smart wasn't a big factor in their success? Our capitalist system may over-reward smarts, but that doesn't mean the smarts themselves are over-rated. On the contrary, being smart is highly advantageous. The people in that list didn't get there by being dumb.

The Great Zaganza said:
It's more true that, unlike most, they got to fail completely time and again, because they always get another chance to mess up more.
If you get to play the game long enough you are bound to win eventually
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But if you keep losing you probably won't stay in the game long enough to win. The chances of getting there by luck alone are remote. If someone seems to be making crazy moves and yet keeps winning, maybe the moves aren't all that crazy.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Are they? Certainly not by many in this forum. But what does the evidence say?

According to one source the 10 richest people in the World right now are:-

1. Elon Musk
2. Jeff Bezos
3. Mark Zuckerberg
4. Larry Ellison
5. Bill Gates
6. Warren Buffet
7. Steve Ballmer
8. Larry Page
9. Sergey Brin
10. Michael Dell

Ignore Musk for now and just look at the others - are you seriously suggesting being smart wasn't a big factor in their success? Our capitalist system may over-reward smarts, but that doesn't mean the smarts themselves are over-rated. On the contrary, being smart is highly advantageous. The people in that list didn't get there by being dumb.
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Yes, but The Great Zaganza didn't say that they are dumb, just that their intelligence is overrated. Yes, they're most likely smart, and need to be to be successful, but I suspect that a major factor in getting onto that list is luck, having the right idea at the right time.
 
Mojo said:
Yes, but The Great Zaganza didn't say that they are dumb, just that their intelligence is overrated. Yes, they're most likely smart, and need to be to be successful, but I suspect that a major factor in getting onto that list is luck, having the right idea at the right time.
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Or family connections.
 
Mojo said:
Yes, but The Great Zaganza didn't say that they are dumb, just that their intelligence is overrated. Yes, they're most likely smart, and need to be to be successful, but I suspect that a major factor in getting onto that list is luck, having the right idea at the right time.
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Or being aggressive enough to pillage and pilfer a successful going concern that someone else made a success first, then riding on their backs. E.g. Muskrat and Tesla, and SpaceX.
 
on that top 10 list, there's only 1 or 2 guys we really know anything about due to them over sharing on the internet. idk how smart any of those other guys are, it's just a list of names of rich people. maybe steve ballmer thinks tariffs work, that satan is a real guy and that there's lizard people running the government, and that dei is ruining the government. how would anyone know if they're smart or dumb?

there was a time when i had assumed billionaires must be brilliant businessmen to become that successful. then elon musk lifted the curtain. he is not smart, there's incredible amounts of quotes and footage of him voluntarily being stupid for me to know that. and he's the richest one on the list
 
Mojo said:
Yes, but The Great Zaganza didn't say that they are dumb, just that their intelligence is overrated. Yes, they're most likely smart, and need to be to be successful, but I suspect that a major factor in getting onto that list is luck, having the right idea at the right time.
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The main predictor of a person's wealth is their father's wealth. You really don't need any brains to be rich, just luck.
 
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