Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Ziggurat]

Imaginary ones, you mean?

Demonstrated ones. Your decision to ignore them doesn't make them go away.

If you recall, I came to the thread on your side, even to the point of saying that a person doesn't have third person pronouns, only others choose them. You guys literally are convincing me that I must have been wrong.

Ah yes. Pronouns. That's a problem that potentially affects you. Problems that affect only women? You didn't care before and you don't care now.

All in, my own state is open doors, and even scouring the Xcretions, I don't see any of the reports of these "unreported" crimes

No ◊◊◊◊, Sherlock. The nature of unreported crimes is that they aren't reported, so yeah, you won't hear reports about unreported crimes. But again, the problems are not just crimes. If a woman goes into a bathroom and sees Bryson there and leaves because she's creeped the ◊◊◊◊ out, no crime was committed. But that's still a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ problem.

And you can't even acknowledge that much.

and harassment of the tranny freaks and predators running rampant in the bathrooms.

Read a different way than you intended, this is actually correct. The tranny freaks (your words, not mine) aren't actually being harassed in public, they don't need to seek refuge in women's spaces. So why can't they just use the bathroom that corresponds to their sex?

Because you want to stick it to Rolfe for complaining? That's the only motive I can figure out.

 

[Thermal]

Demonstrated ones. Your decision to ignore them doesn't make them go away.

The increased instance is demonstrated when you demonstrate it. It doesn't have to be a police report.

Have the ideologically captured TRAs prevented the hundreds/thousands of daily instances if these problems from being posted on Twitter, when 98% of people have recording devices in hand?

If a woman goes into a bathroom and sees Bryson there and leaves because she's creeped the ◊◊◊◊ out, no crime was committed. But that's still a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ problem.

Yes, and one that has affected everyone since public restrooms became available. I've left restrooms because of drug usage or other activity was going on in a rest room that I wanted no part of. You wait a minute till they clear out. That's normal ◊◊◊◊.

I suppose you think men should have to clear off a public street if someone finds their presence uncomfortable? Let me guess: that's different?

The tranny freaks (your words, not mine)

Trust me, they're yours. I'm just saying them out loud.

aren't actually being harassed in public, they don't need to seek refuge in women's spaces.

Bull ◊◊◊◊. I've posted evidence of transwomen experiencing dramatically higher instances of assault in men's rooms.

So why can't they just use the bathroom that corresponds to their sex?

They can. Maybe they'd like to pee without getting slapped around, though? You would think these angelic women i keep hearing about would be more sympathetic to such a transwoman getting abused and harassed by men. Alas, no. "◊◊◊◊ them".

Because you want to stick it to Rolfe for complaining? That's the only motive I can figure out.

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[Thermal]

When you said that 93% of women had autogynephilla and didn't clarify that by saying they were all in the same building

The study, cited and linked, already said so. You can't keep playing dumb on this point.

and its an ironic study

I said it might be. How would I know how it was intended?

The lies you posted are still on the floor: neither Moser or yours truly said a word about world wide extrapolations. You claim I did. You lied.

Neither Moser nor yours truly said a word about women having sexual "fanaticising" about women. You claim I did. You lied.

 

[Manger Douse]

The study, cited and linked, already said so. You can't keep playing dumb on this point.

I said it might be. How would I know how it was intended?

The lies you posted are still on the floor: neither Moser or yours truly said a word about world wide extrapolations. You claim I did. You lied.

Neither Moser nor yours truly said a word about women having sexual "fanaticising" about women. You claim I did. You lied.

You claimed 93% of women have autogynophila and proffered Mosers "ironic" study as proof of this. If you'd claimed that 93% of women in one single building said they have autogynophila and that Moser had a grudge to bear we wouldn't be having this conversation

 

[Rolfe]

It's a meaningless concept. Women get aroused by the thought of sex. It's pretty inseperable from having an actual female body.. Nobody gets aroused by the act of putting their clothes on.

There has been some discussion about this, and the general consensus seems to be that the equivalent condition in women would be autoandrophilia. Getting aroused by the thought of themselves presenting as a man and/or being a man. It seems this is pretty uncommon if it happens at all. The women who identify as transmen and then as homosexual men seem to be getting aroused at the thought of participating in sex as a gay man, which is subtly different. It's not "love of oneself as a man".

 

[Thermal]

You claimed 93% of women have autogynophila and proffered Mosers "ironic" study as proof of this.

That's a lie. I said, explicitly, that 93% of women who responded to those questions, already qualified by the discussion of the cited paper at hand.

If you'd claimed that 93% of women in one single building said they have autogynophila and that Moser had a grudge to bear we wouldn't be having this conversation

Ya and if you didn't keep pursuing this half assed gotcha instead of acknowledging that you lied about "world wide" extrapolations and women "fanaticising" about themselves, we wouldn't be having it either.

 

[Manger Douse]

That's a lie. I said, explicitly, that 93% of women who responded to those questions, already qualified by the discussion of the cited paper at hand.

Ya and if you didn't keep pursuing this half assed gotcha instead of acknowledging that you lied about "world wide" extrapolations and women "fanaticising" about themselves, we wouldn't be having it either.

So what was the point of posting it and not mentioning the single building bit? 93% of women saying a similar thing in the same building isn't that remarkable. And isn't fantasying about being a women the whole point of autogynophila?

 

[Thermal]

So what was the point of posting it and not mentioning the single building bit? 93% of women saying a similar thing in the same building isn't that remarkable

Please grab a pencil and jot this down so I don't have to keep repeating it: I didn't include the abstract in that statement, nor in every time I've referenced it since then. I assume the reader is reasonably intelligent and can understand what women are being referred to (because I came right out and ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ said the ones who responded to the questions). If I assumed far too much of you, my apologies. It seems no one else ITT is as befuddled.

Are you going to address the lies you told or keep trying to sweep them under the rug?

 

[Manger Douse]

Please grab a pencil and jot this down so I don't have to keep repeating it: I didn't include the abstract in that statement, nor in every time I've referenced it since then. I assume the reader is reasonably intelligent and can understand what women are being referred to (because I came right out and ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ said the ones who responded to the questions). If I assumed far too much of you, my apologies. It seems no one else ITT is as befuddled.

Are you going to address the lies you told or keep trying to sweep them under the rug?

You said 93% of women are autogynophilic with no qualifications. Are you going to address the fact that you admitted it was my questioning that lead you to believing the study was "ironic" and not just piss-poor like most trans science?

If someone else wants to weigh in with how I've got it wrong I'm all ears but I'm not really convinced by people who come out with nonsense like "I don't see any of the reports of these "unreported" crimes"

 

[Thermal]

You said 93% of women are autogynophilic with no qualifications.

You are lying. Here's the sauce:

...Dr Charles Moser decided to find out. Turns out 93% of cishet women are also sexually aroused at the thought of themselves as women when posed with similar questions that were posed to Blanchard's transwomen group

That's not all women worldwide and all the other lies you keep telling.

Are you going to address the fact that you admitted it was my questioning that lead you to believing the study was "ironic" and not just piss-poor like most trans science

I already did (although I've told you more than once that it's a 'maybe', not 'I believe this'.

Are you going to address your lies? Last time I'm asking.

 

[Manger Douse]

You are lying. Here's the sauce:


That's not all women worldwide and all the other lies you keep telling.

I already did (although I've told you more than once that it's a 'maybe', not 'I believe this'.

Are you going to address your lies? Last time I'm asking.

You never mentioned the fact this was an ironic study in a single building until I asked about it

 

[Thermal]

You never mentioned the fact this was an ironic study in a single building until I asked about it

And we're done.

 

[Manger Douse]

And we're done.

Think about this moment the next time you post an "ironic" study and don't bother to mention the irony until after you're called out

 

[Ziggurat]

Yes, and one that has affected everyone since public restrooms became available.

Previously, one could complain and get Bryson ejected. Now one cannot. You keep ignoring this difference as if it didn't matter, but it absolutely does.

I suppose you think men should have to clear off a public street if someone finds their presence uncomfortable? Let me guess: that's different?

Of course it's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ different. You even know that it's different.

 

[smartcooky]

And we're done.

Well you certainly are... like a dog's dinner!

When you're called out, don't admit your mistake, just double down, and double down again, and again, and again.

 

[Thermal]

Previously, one could complain and get Bryson ejected. Now one cannot. You keep ignoring this difference as if it didn't matter, but it absolutely does.

Does one call the Penis Police to eject him? Who exactly does the physical ejecting, and how? Is it by force? What is the response time and acceptable level of force?

This idea of 'ejecting' seems largely like security theater. No one is going to do it within the time frame a guy would just finish up and leave. No one is going to make a scene and involve police if he is already on his way.

Not trying to be contrarian by saying this. I just really don't see any practical net gain except to be a dick to transwomen. For all other encounters, it's the status quo. There are no Penis Police standing guard.

Of course it's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ different. You even know that it's different.

Fair enough. How about any other place of public accommodation? Should you be able to eject a guy who keeps pestering a woman at a bar? Legally, it's shaky ground. But in real life, you lean on the creeps, basically intimidating them into compliance. Which, analogously, is pretty much where we are at now with bathrooms.

Eta: but let's talk a little about your theorized Penis Police. Are they a seperate contracted security force? I guess they would have to be biological females if they are going to enter a woman's safe space, right? What do they do to eject? Are they armed, since they are physically confronting these dangerous pervs? Batons? Taser? Firearms? Why or why not?

Or maybe you are picturing like Home Depot, and any associate will do the ejecting? You ever try to find somebody to help with anything in that store? The guy would already be across the street at Lowes before you found a manager.

Or maybe at a fast food place, staffed largely by children and adults making minimum wage that are not going to stick their necks out one inch for some tranny basher's power trip? Seriously, walk me through the practicalities here, cuz I'm not seeing it working IRL.

 

[Thermal]

Well you certainly are... like a dog's dinner!

When you're called out, don't admit your mistake, just double down, and double down again, and again, and again.

You do understand that you just willingly put yourself at the same asinine level of argumentation, right?

 

[theprestige]

...what?

The topic of this thread has been fetish behaviors all along.

 

[Thermal]

The topic of this thread has been fetish behaviors all along.

The professionals who define what fetishes are beg to differ, methinks.

 

[theprestige]

The professionals who define what fetishes are beg to differ, methinks.

We've seen a lot of ideological capture in the medical profession. Your vague handwave towards an appeal to that authority doesn't impress me.

Anyway, self-ID in restrooms opens the door to predation and thus creates a chilling effect that is detrimental to the comfort of women in society.

If it's implemented as policy, it also criminalizes women's attempts to proactively police their own spaces, further undermining the value of those spaces to women.

Nor you nor anyone else has so far demonstrated a compelling societal to cause these problems for women.

Nor you nor anyone else has so far demonstrated a compelling medical need to cause these problems for women.

I still have no idea why you're so invested in pushing this idea, nor why you are so enamored of vilifying anyone who doesn't support you in this effort of yours.