Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Rolfe]

Last night I self-excluded yet again from the theatre toilets, because even now they won't give me any assurance that, should any dispute arise, they would support the women who have a right to be there and not the man who doesn't. They say they want to provide safe and respectful spaces for ALL their "valued customers", and they have some unisex provision there already, but they refuse to manage the women's toilets as a single-sex space. It seems that some customers are more valued than others.

I left the house at 5.30. I reached the theatre about 6.40, and bought a sandwich and a large glass of wine, consuming these before the performance began at 7.15. The performance ended after ten, and it was nearly 11.30 by the time I got home. I wasn't in any discomfort whatsoever. So pardon me if I'm not madly sympathetic to the whining of men who say they'll be excluded from public life if they can't use the women's facilities. Do they all have prostate trouble?

 

[Rolfe]

Read this. All of it, because it gets worse as it goes on.

I begged my bosses not to let trans nurse take part in my operation

Karen Danson's father started to sexually abuse her when she was six. It could have been yesterday, so vivid are the memories.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That the NHS should ask a nurse, indeed any woman, in the state that Karen was in, "but how do you think Rose will feel if we don't allow [him] to take part in your hysterectomy?" really beggars belief.

Here's a video of Karen telling her story.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921455147256815804

This is "Rose", by the way. And it's not an old, pre-transition photo. It was taken contemporaneously with the ongoing changing-room dispute.

 

[Ziggurat]

It is 1:24 AM and I simply don't care anymore. You win. Well done.

You never cared. Which is the entire problem.

 

[smartcooky]

Read this. All of it, because it gets worse as it goes on.

I begged my bosses not to let trans nurse take part in my operation

Karen Danson's father started to sexually abuse her when she was six. It could have been yesterday, so vivid are the memories.

www.dailymail.co.uk

<polite snip>

I hope this triggers other women to come forward and tell their stories, and as a result, the floodgates could open. I know its a lot to ask, as most women really don't want to share these kinds of traumatic stories with anyone but their closest friends.

If that happens, then those demanding examples will be forced to cease their incessant bleating that none of this stuff ever happens and just STFU about it. We have the Sandy Peggy case in NHS Fife (well covered earlier in this thread) d), the Jennifer Melle case in NHS Surrey and Sussex (suspended for misgendering a convicted trandgender paedophile, and now this one the Karen Danson case at NHS Darlington nurse.

 

[Matthew Best]

Read this. All of it, because it gets worse as it goes on.

I begged my bosses not to let trans nurse take part in my operation

Karen Danson's father started to sexually abuse her when she was six. It could have been yesterday, so vivid are the memories.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That the NHS should ask a nurse, indeed any woman, in the state that Karen was in, "but how do you think Rose will feel if we don't allow [him] to take part in your hysterectomy?" really beggars belief.

Here's a video of Karen telling her story.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921455147256815804

This is "Rose", by the way. And it's not an old, pre-transition photo. It was taken contemporaneously with the ongoing changing-room dispute.

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Incidentally, Rose’s father is - you guessed it - a paedophile sex offender, not surprising when you remember that children presenting at the Tavistock with gender confusion were ten times as likely to have a registered sex offender parent as the general population.

 

[Thermal]

I think a better answer should have been along the lines of "good point, maybe its a joke" not "how the ◊◊◊◊ aren't you getting it?" considering you didn't get this alleged joke yourself.

Let's try it a final time: there are two issues. One is that Moser was very specifically criticizing Blanchard's work. You kept insisting that we weren't talking about Blanchard's work, which definitionally, we were. You kept trying to separate Moser's study as meaning something independent of that, which it wasn't. That's the part I was screaming about how the ◊◊◊◊ were you not getting that. The second is that Moser might have been more intentionally flippant than I originally thought, totally as an irrelevant aside. That didn't interest me much, although you latched onto it hard and tried to blur the lines between the two. Do you understand now?

I assume you're going to retract your claim that women world wide sexually fanaticise about being women now

Since neither I nor Moser made any such claims at all, that would be a fairly stupid assumption.

 

[Thermal]

You never cared. Which is the entire problem.

Right. Your current schtick is that if you are not a tranny basher, you hate women. God this ◊◊◊◊ gets dull.

 

[Rolfe]

Incidentally, Rose’s father is - you guessed it - a paedophile sex offender, not surprising when you remember that children presenting at the Tavistock with gender confusion were ten times as likely to have a registered sex offender parent as the general population.

Good gracious!

 

[Thermal]

Well that is a lie... its not zero. Both of my daughters will testify to that, and they are not the only ones in the world to be confronted by transwomen in women's safe spaces. The reason you don't see it in the mainstream media is obvious - the mainstream media is captured... they are in the tank for TRAs so they are not going report stuff against their own interest.

You seem not to understand what I said. The data shows that there is no increased level of crimes associated with opening doors to transwomen. The rate of assaults does not increase, not that no incidents ever occur. Do you understand it now? Unless you are claiming the rates of assault in New Zealand were dead zero and your daughters were the first to ever be assaulted, your comment means nothing.

 

[Manger Douse]

Let's try it a final time: there are two issues. One is that Moser was very specifically criticizing Blanchard's work. You kept insisting that we weren't talking about Blanchard's work, which definitionally, we were. You kept trying to separate Moser's study as meaning something independent of that, which it wasn't. That's the part I was screaming about how the ◊◊◊◊ were you not getting that. The second is that Moser might have been more intentionally flippant than I originally thought, totally as an irrelevant aside. That didn't interest me much, although you latched onto it hard and tried to blur the lines between the two. Do you understand now?

Since neither I nor Moser made any such claims at all, that would be a fairly stupid assumption.

Once again the issue is that you posted a study believing it to be true, were questioned about the rather obvious flaws in it, claimed it was all a joke and that anyone who couldn't see that was an idiot, despite you yourself not getting it moments earlier

(Assuming it actually is a joke and not just more piss-poor trans science and cope)

 

[Thermal]

Once again the issue is that you posted a study believing it to be true,

...and still do, because it was true, and was peer reviewed.

were questioned about the rather obvious flaws in it,

...which didn't exist, but were only in your imagination.

claimed it was all a joke

...which I didn't, and still don't. You can have a sense of irony, as I said, and still present valid work.

and that anyone who couldn't see that was an idiot, despite you yourself not getting it moments earlier

(Assuming it actually is a joke and not just more piss-poor trans science and cope)

No, you just invented things like "world wide extrapolations", which neither I nor Moser breathed a word about. The idiocy was the expansion pack of add-ons that you used to shove words in my mouth and expect a retraction for claims that I said nothing about.

 

[Manger Douse]

...and still do, because it was true, and was peer reviewed.

...which didn't exist, but were only in your imagination.

...which I didn't, and still don't. You can have a sense of irony, as I said, and still present valid work.

No, you just invented things like "world wide extrapolations", which neither I nor Moser breathed a word about. The idiocy was the expansion pack of add-ons that you used to shove words in my mouth and expect a retraction for claims that I said nothing about.

"Turns out 93% of cishet women are also sexually aroused at the thought of themselves as women when posed with similar questions that were posed to Blanchard's transwomen group"

These are your own words.

 

[Thermal]

"Turns out 93% of cishet women are also sexually aroused at the thought of themselves as women when posed with similar questions that were posed to Blanchard's transwomen group"

These are your own words.

Very good! And how many women reported their answers to the questions similar to Blanchards? Hint: the answer is 29.

Now please grit your teeth real hard and highlight the words that mean "therefore we can extrapolate this finding to the worldwide population" and that women sexually "fanaticize" about being women. Don't post another single goddamned lie or evasion till you address this specifically, please.

 

[Ziggurat]

Right. Your current schtick is that if you are not a tranny basher, you hate women. God this ◊◊◊◊ gets dull.

That's a straw man. It's got nothing to do with hating trannies. It's the fact that you explicitly do not care about the problems that self ID has created for women. So much so that you deny these problems even exist. It's your attitude towards women that's the problem here, not your attitude towards transgender people.

 

[Ziggurat]

You seem not to understand what I said. The data shows that there is no increased level of crimes associated with opening doors to transwomen.

Reported crimes. In one area. Which you extrapolate worldwide without justification. And ignore other problems besides reported crimes.

Because you don't care about those problems.

 

[Manger Douse]

Very good! And how many women reported their answers to the questions similar to Blanchards? Hint: the answer is 29.

Now please grit your teeth real hard and highlight the words that mean "therefore we can extrapolate this finding to the worldwide population" and that women sexually "fanaticize" about being women. Don't post another single goddamned lie or evasion till you address this specifically, please.

Can you see the part of your post that says " 93% of cishet women in the same building" and "Moser set out to deceive" because I can't

 

[Thermal]

Reported crimes. In one area. Which you extrapolate worldwide without justification. And ignore other problems besides reported crimes.

Because you don't care about those problems.

Imaginary ones, you mean?

If you recall, I came to the thread on your side, even to the point of saying that a person doesn't have third person pronouns, only others choose them. You guys literally are convincing me that I must have been wrong.

All in, my own state is open doors, and even scouring the Xcretions, I don't see any of the reports of these "unreported" crimes and harassment of the tranny freaks and predators running rampant in the bathrooms. Did the TRAs take over twitter and are stifiling their reporting of this? Is a vast conspiracy afoot to keep social media from posting about the hundreds of instances per day?

 

[Clutch Cargo]

A picture should be adequate enough to identify you.

 

[Thermal]

Can you see the part of your post that says " 93% of cishet women in the same building"

The study being referred to already said that plainly. I'm not including the entire abstract and every detail every single time I reference it.

and "Moser set out to deceive"

He did not, nor did I claim so, nor did he.

because I can't

What you have done is to evade the direct questions. Please show where 'world wide extrapolations" are indicated by either of us, or STFU. Then show women "fanaticising" about women claimed by either of us,or STFU.

 

[Manger Douse]

The study being referred to already said that plainly. I'm not including the entire abstract and every detail every single time I reference it.

He did not, nor did I claim so, nor did he.

What you have done is to evade the direct questions. Please show where 'world wide extrapolations" are indicated by either of us, or STFU. Then show women "fanaticising" about women claimed by either of us,or STFU.

When you said that 93% of women had autogynephilla and didn't clarify that by saying they were all in the same building and its an ironic study