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The Truth about RFK Jr

ahhell said:
I think the majority of folks that US homeopathy don't really understand what they premise is. I think most just think its herbal remedies.
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That is exactly what my late mother-in-law assumed. And then she would fall back on "Well, Prince Charles uses it! And he went Cambridge!" After which I would fall about laughing and reply, "I went to Sheffield and have a science degree and a nursing qualification and I've heard of Avogadro, so I win!"
 
Carrot Flower King said:
That is exactly what my late mother-in-law assumed. And then she would fall back on "Well, Prince Charles uses it! And he went Cambridge!" After which I would fall about laughing and reply, "I went to Sheffield and have a science degree and a nursing qualification and I've heard of Avogadro, so I win!"
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The response I've generally gotten is, "what, no way that's crazy" then a week later they are back to using it.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Knowing the limitless folly of humanity I can almost understand people falling for homeopathy in general, but what I can't get over is people from tea-drinking cultures falling for it. How can anyone make a cup of tea and walk away thinking it gets stronger the more it's watered down? If homeopathy worked then dipping a tea bag once would result in tea stronger than using twenty tea bags at once and leaving them in!
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Succussion (sp?) is a key part of the process as well. You have to whack the mixture with a holy book for the mojo to work.
 
I read the Narcan (naloxone) story in The Independent. IIUC the plan is to cut the program, but it does not sounds as if the plan has been finalized: "A preliminary budget document, obtained by The Washington Post,reportedly calls for deep cuts to federal health programs and targets multiple addiction prevention and treatment programs, including training of community responders to administer Narcan." One wonders who prepared the budget.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
I read the Narcan (naloxone) story in The Independent. IIUC the plan is to cut the program, but it does not sounds as if the plan has been finalized: "A preliminary budget document, obtained by The Washington Post,reportedly calls for deep cuts to federal health programs and targets multiple addiction prevention and treatment programs, including training of community responders to administer Narcan." One wonders who prepared the budget.
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I suspect some wheezing ex-druggie whose brain worm ate all the meat and left only the bone told the thieving Nazi zillionare and his grifting sidekick to go ahead, we don't need that stuff. I did just fine without it, because I'm healthy and eat my share of bear and don't pollute my precious bodily fluids. We special people will make America great by putting the hero in where it belongs.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
I read the Narcan (naloxone) story in The Independent. IIUC the plan is to cut the program, but it does not sounds as if the plan has been finalized: "A preliminary budget document, obtained by The Washington Post,reportedly calls for deep cuts to federal health programs and targets multiple addiction prevention and treatment programs, including training of community responders to administer Narcan." One wonders who prepared the budget.
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The what, now?
 
The website History of Vaccines has a discussion: "let's talk about fetal cells in vaccines. Is it true that some vaccines have “aborted fetuses” in them? No, it is not. There are no aborted fetuses in vaccines. However, some vaccine viruses are grown in cells that are descendants of tissue first collected from fetuses several decades ago. The Vaccine Education Center from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a very good article on this that you should read:
“Varicella (chickenpox), rubella (the “R” in the MMR vaccine), hepatitis A, one version of the shingles vaccine, and one preparation of rabies vaccine are all made by growing the viruses in fetal embryo fibroblast cells. Fibroblast cells are the cells needed to hold skin and other connective tissue together. The fetal embryo fibroblast cells used to grow vaccine viruses were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s. These same embryonic cells obtained from the early 1960s have continued to grow in the laboratory and are used to make vaccines today. No further sources of fetal cells are needed to make these vaccines.”
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It’s funny that you think accurate, scientific explanations hold any credence with republicans or their current administrative representatives.
 
Andy_Ross said:
RFK Jr on measles: "The MMR vaccine contains a lot of aborted fetus debris."
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When I first see a statement like this, my initial reaction is that surely this must be some sort of delusion.
But if you want to counter such nonsense, it's important to at least know what the actual truth is, and where statements like this come from.
And there is at least a grain of truth there, it seems. Chris Halkides above linked to it, but it says:
Vaccines for varicella (chickenpox), rubella (the “R” in the MMR vaccine), hepatitis A, rabies (one version, called Imovax) and COVID-19 (Johnson & Johnson (J&J)/Janssen, which is no longer used in the U.S.) are all made by growing the viruses in fetal cells.
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And:
The fetal embryo fibroblast cells used to grow vaccine viruses were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s.
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So, I have to guard against my own (ignorant) kneejerk reaction, which is that of course nothing about that is even remotely true.
Is that the same as saying that the vaccine "contains a lot of aborted fetus debris"? Probably not. But it does mean that I have to be very careful to not make confident dismissive statements about a subject that I don't know very much about. If they are, in fact, still made using cells (descended from those) derived from aborted fetuses to this very day, then perhaps mocking such statements isn't the best approach.
 
This thread almost makes me cry; there is so much crazy stuff going on, what with the tariffs, and the "peace" talks, and taking over Greenland and Canada, and yeah, he totally had a gang tattoo, and so on ad infinitum, that this almost gets drowned out - in more normal times, RFKjr and his ideas would be considered by far the craziest and most dangerous ones of the new administration, but now they're just a fairly small part of the general lunacy. Yet this will harm generations of Americans, and spill over on the rest of the world for a long time. Did I say it almost makes me cry? Not so sure about the “almost” part of that.
 
David Gorski also wrote about this issue at SBM in 2015: "Although antiabortion antivaccine activists frequently try to make it sound as though scientists are aborting fetuses left and right just to grind them up to make vaccines (presumably twirling their mustaches and cackling evilly as they slice and dice them), in reality there are only two cell lines used this way, and they are so far removed from the original abortions that even the Catholic Church has told its members that not only is it morally acceptable to use such vaccines, but vaccinating children against deadly diseases is a great good."
 
Tero said:
How soon this RFKJr bans drugs to treat drug addicts? After all, drugs got them that way. You can't treat them with drugs!
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The Tennessee Outlook wrote, "The Trump administration — and Kennedy — have proposed to restructure HHS, including dismantling the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), cutting research funding and funding for addiction treatment and mental health care." CNN wrote, "The Trump administration has named overdose prevention among its top drug policy priorities, but a preliminary budget proposal that was recently leaked suggests that it would cut about two dozen substance abuse prevention and treatment programs." This includes the naloxone program discussed upthread.
 
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